What cpu to bot alot of mc

[Koksik22]

DarkstaR since then you have some knowledge maybe you gonna help me.
im botting 40mc but its still dont enough. to bot 40mc mc is was using fx 8350 but i changed to xeon e5 2689 for better performance but
on that e5 2689 i still can bot only 40mc no more, like on that fx 8350. i wanna change cpu and i think between 2x amd opteron 6176se or i7 4960x.
xeon e5 2689 have alot better performance in passmark and others tests then fx 8350 but its server procesor. 4960x have the same performance in passmark like e5 2869 but its normal cpu and maybe will be better then that e5??? or buy that old shit like is mainboard with 2x opteron 6176se is also server procesor but from amd.

[Koksik22]

Maybe someone other gonna help me ??

[Koksik22]

btw amd opteron 6176se have 12 cores
DarkstaR i need your help. plz be my hero

[xXiSlaughterXx]

i7 ~~

[DarkstaR]

I would stick with the AMD processor and kick up the video card. It's likely your bottlenecking in the graphics layer, having some hardware acceleration will possibly give you more wiggle room.

I'm not sure what your exact issue is since I cant see the system, but I have the 8250fx and the processing it can do is insane - all of my bottlenecks are at my video card.

[Koksik22]

i was have fx 8350 and was the best performance. didnt test i7 4930 but he have the same passmark like xeon e5 2689 and fx is better then that xeon. best option is buy 2x amd opteron and a great graphic card? on fx i was bot 40mc and he cant run more its its the best result or you think then gtx 670 was blocking him ? fx have 8 cores and 2x opteron 24 cores but much less clock and its old cpu DarkstaR help me chocie

[Koksik22]

alot of tibia its like multitasking? and for multitasking is cpu with alot of cores.

[DarkstaR]

Go start up 40 MC's, getting them botting at full speed, and throw up Process Explorer (google it). Then follow these steps



Run Process Explorer
Press ctrl+i
Wait for about 3 minutes, grab a screenshot of the CPU tab.
QUICKLY go to the GPU tab and grab a screenshot there as well.
Once again, do the same with the Memory tab.
Post the screenshots here


You want the screenshots to be taken as close together as possible, this will ensure we can see the lock-stepping of performance and determine what is causing the slowdown.

[Koksik22]

i dont have now my pc to make test. 3days ago i sold fx 8350 after that bought that xeon but i send it back yesterday to make cash back beacose that xeon have suck performance. I was testing cpu ang gpu on occt and other programs. when i was botting 40mc on fx 8350 cpu was have 90%usage and gpu 20% usage. on xeon was the same 90% use cpu but gpu was used by 50-90 and usage of gpu was jumping strange thing. but someone told me then gpu on xeon make take some his work whatever that mean. now im without pc and waiting and thinking what i need to buy. DarkstaR

[DarkstaR]

I'm an AMD fanboy, so I recommend AMD, but I can't say for sure.

The nice thing about the procexp logs I'm asking for is that it gives a lot of info that is useful to the trained eye.

For instance, if you have a very high CPU usage with a low amount of context switches, you want more speed and L2 cache. If you have a high amount of context switches, however, you want more cores. If both of those numbers are reasonable but RAM is high, you may want faster / overclocked / more RAM. If your GPU usage is low but the GPU memory usage is maxed out, you know the memory of the GPU is limiting it and you want a GPU with a higher memory threshhold.

And, with all things determined, you probably want some watercooling before your PC melts and you jump from window

[Hawk]

And, with all things determined, you probably want some watercooling before your PC melts and you jump from window

Yeah he has tendecies to jump from window.

[Koksik22]

with 40mc memory of gpu was used like 1.2gb from 2gb and 8gb ram from 16gb. then its choice between fx or opteron. its suck then i cant do tests what you tell me, beacose i dont know what i need. but maybe someone here make do test. i have best air cooler xd thermaltake sillver arrow extreme. and i gonna jump if you dont gonna help me chocie cpu DarkstaR

[Koksik22]

Yeah he has tendecies to jump from window.

when xenobot gonna end for sure i gonna jump and you propably gonna do this with me :D

[Hawk]

when xenobot gonna end for sure i gonna jump and you propably gonna do this with me :D

Yeah ofc. And we make Darkstar jump first. xD

[DarkstaR]

Aircoolers are for pussies. Get a watercooler.

And grab the 12 core AMD, seems beastly if you;re trying to go that hard.

[Koksik22]

Aircoolers are for pussies. Get a watercooler.

And grab the 12 core AMD, seems beastly if you;re trying to go that hard.

then what cooler are you have?? i prefer air beacose have better performance to quiet and also its cool very good.

ok them im taking 2x opteron 6276se but for that is only air cooler. like nocuta.

if you have watercooler then you overlocked your cpu up to 5.0?

[Koksik22]

Yeah ofc. And we make Darkstar jump first. xD
Hawk how many mc you botting? maybe you can do that test what DarkstaR say

[DarkstaR]

The cooler I use is a hybrid cooler which has moving fluid to a fan-cooled heat grill. It's this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181031

However, for a big right, you might want to get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181035

The stock fans blow dick, I bought 2 90CFM fans at 25db for optimal cooling and silence. It basically turns the inside of your box into a chilly place and the room around it into a sauna. My computer acts as a heater.

[Perfections]

when xenobot gonna end for sure i gonna jump and you propably gonna do this with me :D

Man I am your biggest fan

Greetings,
Fredrik

[Koksik22]

my air coller its better from that first :) that 2 is better but not much and to better performane need to work faster that why making Fck Noise. thermlight is a quiet like my coolers from nocuta in my pc box. to make awesome water cooler need to make own cooler like that system :

https://www.google.pl/search?q=najlepsze+chlodzenie+wodne&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=sUL1UsrJB-SR7AagwYDgDw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1092&bih=533#facrc=_&imgdii=gR9or-zIp-2jlM%3A%3BD50929A7iXJqDM%3BgR9or-zIp-2jlM%3A&imgrc=gR9or-zIp-2jlM%253A%3B0RFHWZ961ifeFM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fim g268.imageshack.us%252Fimg268%252F7724%252Fp112017 8.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforum.benchmark.pl%252F topic%252F52412-chlodzenie-na-i7-3820-i-obudowe-haf-x%252F%3B1024%3B768

you overlocked you cpu?? if no why you have water cooler :P also im 2 amd fan

[Koksik22]

Man I am your biggest fan

Greetings,
Fredrik

if you are my fan im your fan 2 :D its mean then you will jump with me right? :D

[Perfections]

if you are my fan im your fan 2 :D its mean then you will jump with me right? :D

If you jump first bud ;)

[Koksik22]

If you jump first bud ;)

nah you first i wanna see that :P

[Koksik22]

DarkstaR that test will be good if i gonna open like 20mc on friend pc right?? beacose its the same siutuation that pc will be used like my pc on 40mc and we will see what pcu need to open more mc.

[DarkstaR]

Well the test targets your specific hardware and tells you what needs to be upgraded. It's not as accurate on another machine.

[Koksik22]

then its imposible now because i dont have pc .tibia is multitasker 2d and i just need to know what i need to it. its 2 option less amount of cores with better perfomance or alot of cores with bad performance. also on all test in games 3d better are intel cpus and they have more fps there. but its have any postponement to games 2d opened 40x ? for open 40 times need multicore but what cpu need to have alot of fps in 2d?? also multicore?? DarkstaR

[Koksik22]

i think i gonna buy that 2x amd opteron 6176se but You didnt think then its to old cpu?

[Blanz420]

Get a Corsair H100i and switch the fans to Noctua NF-F12
Or if you want better performance get a Cooler Master Glacer 240L and switch the fans to Noctuas. Kills the rest of the 240mm kits out there.
Beastly performance that kills your air cooling.

Also the i7 4930k is a beast that has hyper threading.
One of those with a NVIDIA GTX 780 or 780 ti or AMD R9 290 and you'd be set.
I would slap a NZXT G10 with a Corsair H100i with Noctua fans if you got room in your case on one of those cards and be beast if you get a non reference one.

Thats jus my 2 cents, my next set up will be like /\.

[Xeno Scripts]

How much money can you spend? :p

[Koksik22]

i was using xeon e5 with 8 cores and 16 theards and in passmark that cpu have the same performance like that 4930k and on that xeon i was make open 40mc like on amd fx 8350 whos have almost half less pkt in passmak by 4930k and that xenon e5. yea nocuta have best performance i use them to cool my pc box. man that coolers rly not have much better performance then best air coolers. man this is a water cooler :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcW7Ii_BKo

[Koksik22]

How much money can you spend? :p

like 1000usd because almost that pice coast 4930 with mainboard or amd opteron 2x 6176se with mainboard all new (very cheap)

[Xeno Scripts]

like 1000usd because almost that pice coast 4930 with mainboard or amd opteron 2x 6176se with mainboard all new (very cheap)

Ohh.. If you could afford more cash (read: MUCH MORE CASH), then AMD could make you a special just for you :P

[Koksik22]

Ohh.. If you could afford more cash (read: MUCH MORE CASH), then AMD could make you a special just for you :P

what you mean ? what amd?? the new series 6300?

[Soul]

Have you tried the news FX-?

[Koksik22]

yes 8350. 40mc max like on xeon e5 2689

[Soul]

yes 8350. 40mc max like on xeon e5 2689

I said new FX, not the 8350.

http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/FD9590FHHKWOF

[Koksik22]

I said new FX, not the 8350.

http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/FD9590FHHKWOF

i see then you dont have any knowledge abaut that. its the same cpu like 8350, 8320, 9370, just have set higher clock. its waste of money better is buy 8320 and oc him to 5.0 easly. and you gonna be have the same cpu.

[Koksik22]

bought new i7 4930 now i can bot 50+ mc

[Kaguya]

Hey There !
Well I m really confused after reading this thread. I didnt really understand what Koksik22 meant by saying
".tibia is multitasker 2d and i just need to know what i need to it. its 2 option less amount of cores with better perfomance or alot of cores with bad performance. also on all test in games 3d better are intel cpus and they have more fps there. but its have any postponement to games 2d opened 40x ? for open 40 times need multicore but what cpu need to have alot of fps in 2d?? also multicore??"

Does he mean that Tibia uses more then 1 core while botting like lets say 10 mc s. This would mean that AMD CPU like fx8350 are better then Intel i5 generations cuz they have more cores.

Im asking , cuz I want to buy a new Computer with a budget about like 700-800 euros. Basically i want to bot like 5-6 mcs while playing BF4 without lagging.

Here are the 2 types which i could afford but im still not sure which one would be the better solution.

Thats the i5

Computer Case: Sharkoon VG4-S Midi Tower [+€28,94] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-VG4-S-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_977990.html))
CPU: Intel Core i5 4460 4x 3.20GHz [+€163.32] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4460-4x-3-20GHz-So-1150-BOX_960035.html))
CPU Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Brocken ECO Tower [+€29.39] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/EKL-Alpenfoehn-Brocken-ECO-Tower-Kuehler_964396.html))
GPU: 2048MB Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Toxic Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (Full Retail) [+€169,95] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Sapphire-Radeon-R9-270X-Toxic-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Full-Retail-_935701.html))
HDD: 1000GB Seagate Desktop 3.5" [+€43,08] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST1000DM003-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_775365.html))
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H Intel H97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail [+€90,70] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GA-H97-D3H-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961230.html))
PSU: 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze [+€70,41] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-be-quiet--Pure-Power-L8-CM-Modular-80--Bronze_757838.html))
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ares DDR3-1866 DIMM DUAL KIT [+€48,43] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-G-Skill-Ares-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_798824.html))

Sub-total: €644,32~

Thats the AMD FX 8350 ( i dont really want to OC )


Computer Case: Sharkoon VG4-S Midi Tower [+€28,94] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-VG4-S-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_977990.html))
CPU: Intel Core i5 4460 4x 3.20GHz [+€164.61] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-FX-Series-FX-8350-8x-4-00GHz-So-AM3--BOX_818298.html))
CPU Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Brocken ECO Tower [+€29.39] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/EKL-Alpenfoehn-Brocken-ECO-Tower-Kuehler_964396.html))
GPU: 2048MB Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Toxic Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (Full Retail) [+€169,95] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Sapphire-Radeon-R9-270X-Toxic-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Full-Retail-_935701.html))
HDD: 1000GB Seagate Desktop 3.5" [+€43,08] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST1000DM003-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_775365.html))
Motherboard: MSI 970 Gaming AMD 970 So.AM3+ Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail DDR3 ATX Retail [+€97,40] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-970-Gaming-AMD-970-So-AM3--Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_970299.html))
PSU: 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze [+€70,41] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-be-quiet--Pure-Power-L8-CM-Modular-80--Bronze_757838.html))
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ares DDR3-1866 DIMM DUAL KIT [+€48,43] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-G-Skill-Ares-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_798824.html))

Sub-total: €648,52~

[Koksik22]

Hey There !
Well I m really confused after reading this thread. I didnt really understand what Koksik22 meant by saying
".tibia is multitasker 2d and i just need to know what i need to it. its 2 option less amount of cores with better perfomance or alot of cores with bad performance. also on all test in games 3d better are intel cpus and they have more fps there. but its have any postponement to games 2d opened 40x ? for open 40 times need multicore but what cpu need to have alot of fps in 2d?? also multicore??"

Does he mean that Tibia uses more then 1 core while botting like lets say 10 mc s. This would mean that AMD CPU like fx8350 are better then Intel i5 generations cuz they have more cores.

Im asking , cuz I want to buy a new Computer with a budget about like 700-800 euros. Basically i want to bot like 5-6 mcs while playing BF4 without lagging.

Here are the 2 types which i could afford but im still not sure which one would be the better solution.

Thats the i5

Computer Case: Sharkoon VG4-S Midi Tower [+€28,94] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-VG4-S-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_977990.html))
CPU: Intel Core i5 4460 4x 3.20GHz [+€163.32] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4460-4x-3-20GHz-So-1150-BOX_960035.html))
CPU Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Brocken ECO Tower [+€29.39] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/EKL-Alpenfoehn-Brocken-ECO-Tower-Kuehler_964396.html))
GPU: 2048MB Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Toxic Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (Full Retail) [+€169,95] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Sapphire-Radeon-R9-270X-Toxic-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Full-Retail-_935701.html))
HDD: 1000GB Seagate Desktop 3.5" [+€43,08] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST1000DM003-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_775365.html))
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H Intel H97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail [+€90,70] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GA-H97-D3H-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_961230.html))
PSU: 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze [+€70,41] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-be-quiet--Pure-Power-L8-CM-Modular-80--Bronze_757838.html))
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ares DDR3-1866 DIMM DUAL KIT [+€48,43] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-G-Skill-Ares-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_798824.html))

Sub-total: €644,32~

Thats the AMD FX 8350 ( i dont really want to OC )


Computer Case: Sharkoon VG4-S Midi Tower [+€28,94] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-VG4-S-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_977990.html))
CPU: Intel Core i5 4460 4x 3.20GHz [+€164.61] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-FX-Series-FX-8350-8x-4-00GHz-So-AM3--BOX_818298.html))
CPU Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Brocken ECO Tower [+€29.39] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/EKL-Alpenfoehn-Brocken-ECO-Tower-Kuehler_964396.html))
GPU: 2048MB Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Toxic Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (Full Retail) [+€169,95] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Sapphire-Radeon-R9-270X-Toxic-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Full-Retail-_935701.html))
HDD: 1000GB Seagate Desktop 3.5" [+€43,08] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST1000DM003-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_775365.html))
Motherboard: MSI 970 Gaming AMD 970 So.AM3+ Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail DDR3 ATX Retail [+€97,40] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-970-Gaming-AMD-970-So-AM3--Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_970299.html))
PSU: 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze [+€70,41] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/530-Watt-be-quiet--Pure-Power-L8-CM-Modular-80--Bronze_757838.html))
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ares DDR3-1866 DIMM DUAL KIT [+€48,43] (Mindfactory (http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-G-Skill-Ares-DDR3-1866-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_798824.html))

Sub-total: €648,52~

that was 20 months ago, i5 4460 has 4 cores and that cores are much stronger then 4 cores of fx 8350, soo for games what are using 4 cores it will be better take i5 4460.
but for your situation i would take fx 8350 since its 8 cores cpu.

[Kaguya]

that was 20 months ago, i5 4460 has 4 cores and that cores are much stronger then 4 cores of fx 8350, soo for games what are using 4 cores it will be better take i5 4460.
but for your situation i would take fx 8350 since its 8 cores cpu.
Because i can open more mcs while playing other games ? Or why AMD ?

[Koksik22]

Because i can open more mcs while playing other games ? Or why AMD ?

yes, and with radeon 270x you will not be able too use 4 powerfully cores from intel in games 3D