Evancion
02-19-2014, 10:57 PM
I found these posts on Tibia forums, which can be found here (http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&threadid=4179632).
There are two posts by Flac Rewil in that thread, post one (http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&postid=35936858#post35936858) and post two (http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&postid=35936960#post35936960).
In case you do not want to be redirected to the Tibia forums, I will quote both of his posts here:
First post:
Basically, all you need to know is that the defenses of the weapon and the shield do not add up.
Only the defense with the higher number will be the primary and the defense of the other will become 0.
So, if you have an epee (atk: 27 def: 23) and a medusa shield (def: 33). The medusa has the higher defense, which means it becomes the primary defense, this also means the defense of the epee becomes 0. They do not add up.
The +1/-1, +2/-2, +3/-3 next to the weapon defense means this will be added to the shield you're using.
So, if you have an emerald sword (atk: 49 def: 33 bonus: +3) and you have a medusa shield (def: 33), the +3 on the emerald sword will be added to the medusa shield, which makes the medusa shield now have 36 defense. Since the medusa shield now has a higher defense (36) than the emerald sword (33), the medusa shield becomes the primary and the emerald sword becomes 0. However, if you have a beholder shield (def: 28) instead of medusa shield, the beholder shield will now have 31 defense with the +3 bonus added to it, BUT! Since 31 is still less than the defense of the emerald sword, the beholder shield becomes 0 and the emerald sword's 33 becomes the primary.
So, if you have a mastermind shield (def: 37) and a shiny blade (atk: 50 def: 35 bonus: +3), the +3 on the shiny blade will be added to the mastermind shield, which makes its defense now 40, which is higher than shiny blade's 35 defense. Therefore, for that set, you have 50 attack and 40 defense.
If you use the Avenger (atk: 50 def: 38), the set is 50 attack and 38 defense.
In conclusion, using shiny blade and mastermind shield is better than using the Avenger alone. But using shiny blade and demon shield (def: 35) wouldn't make a difference since they will have the same stats as the Avenger.
I also should make note that this also applies to spellbooks. So, if you are using a magic sword (atk: 48 def: 35 bonus: +3) and a spellbook of ancient arcana (def: 19 ml: +4), the +3 bonus is applied to the defense of the spellbook (now def: 22), but since 22 is less than the defense of the magic sword (35), it becomes 0 and the 35 becomes the primary. So, if you're a mage that doesn't like to use wands, this is the best way to go. Personally, I'd much rather have 35 defense with +4 magic level than 40 defense (magic sword + mastermind shield) with +0 magic level.
The second post is in response to this question:
Yeah but
With shiny blade+mastermind shield you will have 40 defence but 80 shielding skill
With avenger you will 38 defence but 90 sword skill
which blocks more?
Here's the second post:
Oh I see, I think I read something about this before.
If you have a shield, your shielding skill is taken into account towards your total defense.
However, if you're using a two-handed weapon, your shielding skill doesn't account for anything, but your current weapon skill does.
So, if you have a shiny blade and a mastermind shield, that gets you 40 defense, and since you are using a shield, your shielding skill is accounted for towards your total defense.
If you are using the Avenger, that gets you 38 defense, but since you're not using a shield, your shielding skill becomes useless but your weapon skill (sword, club, or axe) is then accounted for your total defense.
So, in your scenario (with 90/80 skills), I think it runs like this:
Shiny blade + mastermind shield (40 defense)
80 skill point support towards defense.
OR
The Avenger (38 defense)
90 skill point support towards defense.
The shiny blade + mastermind shield has higher defense but less skill point support, whereas the Avenger has less defense and more skill point support towards defense.
Which one is better? I'm not 100% sure, there's a formula somewhere that takes the defense, the skill point support, total armor, and the defense factor (full attack, balanced, full defense).
So, if there's anyone that a maestro or a freaking mastermind of the mechanics of Tibia,
can you please confirm whether these posts are true or not?
There are two posts by Flac Rewil in that thread, post one (http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&postid=35936858#post35936858) and post two (http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&postid=35936960#post35936960).
In case you do not want to be redirected to the Tibia forums, I will quote both of his posts here:
First post:
Basically, all you need to know is that the defenses of the weapon and the shield do not add up.
Only the defense with the higher number will be the primary and the defense of the other will become 0.
So, if you have an epee (atk: 27 def: 23) and a medusa shield (def: 33). The medusa has the higher defense, which means it becomes the primary defense, this also means the defense of the epee becomes 0. They do not add up.
The +1/-1, +2/-2, +3/-3 next to the weapon defense means this will be added to the shield you're using.
So, if you have an emerald sword (atk: 49 def: 33 bonus: +3) and you have a medusa shield (def: 33), the +3 on the emerald sword will be added to the medusa shield, which makes the medusa shield now have 36 defense. Since the medusa shield now has a higher defense (36) than the emerald sword (33), the medusa shield becomes the primary and the emerald sword becomes 0. However, if you have a beholder shield (def: 28) instead of medusa shield, the beholder shield will now have 31 defense with the +3 bonus added to it, BUT! Since 31 is still less than the defense of the emerald sword, the beholder shield becomes 0 and the emerald sword's 33 becomes the primary.
So, if you have a mastermind shield (def: 37) and a shiny blade (atk: 50 def: 35 bonus: +3), the +3 on the shiny blade will be added to the mastermind shield, which makes its defense now 40, which is higher than shiny blade's 35 defense. Therefore, for that set, you have 50 attack and 40 defense.
If you use the Avenger (atk: 50 def: 38), the set is 50 attack and 38 defense.
In conclusion, using shiny blade and mastermind shield is better than using the Avenger alone. But using shiny blade and demon shield (def: 35) wouldn't make a difference since they will have the same stats as the Avenger.
I also should make note that this also applies to spellbooks. So, if you are using a magic sword (atk: 48 def: 35 bonus: +3) and a spellbook of ancient arcana (def: 19 ml: +4), the +3 bonus is applied to the defense of the spellbook (now def: 22), but since 22 is less than the defense of the magic sword (35), it becomes 0 and the 35 becomes the primary. So, if you're a mage that doesn't like to use wands, this is the best way to go. Personally, I'd much rather have 35 defense with +4 magic level than 40 defense (magic sword + mastermind shield) with +0 magic level.
The second post is in response to this question:
Yeah but
With shiny blade+mastermind shield you will have 40 defence but 80 shielding skill
With avenger you will 38 defence but 90 sword skill
which blocks more?
Here's the second post:
Oh I see, I think I read something about this before.
If you have a shield, your shielding skill is taken into account towards your total defense.
However, if you're using a two-handed weapon, your shielding skill doesn't account for anything, but your current weapon skill does.
So, if you have a shiny blade and a mastermind shield, that gets you 40 defense, and since you are using a shield, your shielding skill is accounted for towards your total defense.
If you are using the Avenger, that gets you 38 defense, but since you're not using a shield, your shielding skill becomes useless but your weapon skill (sword, club, or axe) is then accounted for your total defense.
So, in your scenario (with 90/80 skills), I think it runs like this:
Shiny blade + mastermind shield (40 defense)
80 skill point support towards defense.
OR
The Avenger (38 defense)
90 skill point support towards defense.
The shiny blade + mastermind shield has higher defense but less skill point support, whereas the Avenger has less defense and more skill point support towards defense.
Which one is better? I'm not 100% sure, there's a formula somewhere that takes the defense, the skill point support, total armor, and the defense factor (full attack, balanced, full defense).
So, if there's anyone that a maestro or a freaking mastermind of the mechanics of Tibia,
can you please confirm whether these posts are true or not?