Botting Security: The Myths, The Facts, and The Solutions.

[DarkstaR]

To begin this post, I would like to reiterate a post I made nearly 2 months ago.


No bot, not even NeoBot, can be called 100% undetectable. Nobody knows how the system works so saying their bot is safe is misinforming the users.
What I will say is that I have taken the precautions to make sure that this bot is as undetectable as possible, and that it stays that way. I have made sure to make absolutely no mistakes, I've taken my time, and I mostly allow Tibia to do everything for me(making it safer).

I wont promise its safe, but I will tell you that I trust it enough to use it on my main characters

I have said time and time again that I will not promise my bot is safe, and yet this last banwave has sent people crying about how I misinformed them. I'm sorry, but this is not the case. In fact, from this banwave we have learned 4 things:


Injecting into the client has nothing to do with bans
No matter what bot you use, you are not safe - however, some bots are safer than others
"Safe Bots" are nothing but irritating pieces of software which obscure your ability to play by hijacking your mouse and keyboard. We know now that they are not truly safe.
There are many bots that are safe in creation, but used dangerously. These include NeoBot, TUGBot and XenoBot. (Nothing else was created evasively for this system) It is not these bots that get you banned, but how you use them.

#1: Supporting facts


NeoBot was also taken out in the last wave. This means that there must be some server side detection which uses heuristic pattern recognizing algorithms in order to detect non-human actions. This means that if they have a working server sided system, they really have no reason to create a much harder client side detection system.
Creating a system to detect injected and modified code would be very tricky -- they would have to find a way to send this information to the server without bot programmers noticing. Every update, I look at every function which calls the winsock send function, and nothing I have found to date has been suspiciously sending data to Cipsoft.
Many different programs use global hooks or injected DLL's on all open processes in order to achieve certain results. ObjectDock, for example, is a program which creates Mac-like docks on the desktop for icons. to handle the mouse, it injects code into every process to watch the mouses actions within that process. Another example would be a virus which may inject code into running programs in order to try and steal your personal data or manipulate your computer.

#2: Supporting facts


NeoBot falsely promised its users safety, and some still got banned.
Bots like NeoBot, TUGBot, and XenoBot still protect against creating impossible packets and make sure that performed actions are possible without a bot attached. That makes these pieces of software MUCH HARDER to detect.

#3: Supporting facts


No body likes having to leave Tibia maximized to bot, and Nobody likes the way "Safe Bots" hijack their mouse and keyboard. It is irritating, and can often leave you dead in situations where you could have lived if you didn't have a bot that was acting equivalent to a 5 year old brother randomly smashing keys on your keyboard.
Look at supporting facts for point #1. Tibia doesn't send data telling the server if its minimized or not, or if anything is injected into it. This means that using actual mouseclicks and keystrokes is just an annoying way of doing what XenoBot does, and is not any safer.

#4: Supporting facts


While people have been banned from use of all bots, there are also many intensive botters who have never been touched - and never will be. This is because they make proper use of their software, and they do not bot suspiciously. Below, I will outline pointers and tips about how you can avoid banishments and still get the most out of any bot.


Botting Safety Tips


Never bot afk. There is evidence that Cipsoft still has CM's checking up on botters on the down-low, so being at the computer at all times can save you if one comes looking for you. On top of that, you are less likely to be reported if you respond to players.
Spread out your botting sessions and mix up your play. It is very possible and probable that cipsoft has created AI algorithms to detect bot-like behavior. However, due to their lack of resources and current disadvantages of AI technology, you can ea slily throw these functions off by mixing in some human action. For instance, I used to bot stone tomb on my 76 RP. After I used 50 spears, I would go manually do two tasks at energy elementals before going back to stone tomb.
Verify your settings. Don't walk around on a paladin trying to spam exori flam at constant intervals, or walk around on a knight trying to chug great mana potions. Most bots nowadays randomize when they heal, but only when successful. An unsuccessful attempt, however, results in another attempt at a set interval. Continuously doing this can be detected as suspicious behavior.
Do not talk about botting in game, even if its in a private message to a trusted person. For all you know, cipsoft can be searching logs for people talking about botting.
Bot dynamically. Don't use scripts that always deposit with systematic methods. Always withdrawing an exact amount of gold, buying everything in certain order, and throwing items in depot the exact same way is suspicious. I've used NeoBot, and its not hard to randomly decide whether to go to the bank or depot first. Its also not hard to move your items to depot randomly, or to buy supplies in different orders. You may spend extra time making your scripts, but in the long run you get to keep your character.
Use good scripts. Sitting with no gold on a boat and spamming "hi thais yes" for 2 hours is a sure fire way to get banned. So is constantly using your rope on a shovel hole, continuously going in and out of a yalahari gate, or trying to open a depot that is blocked by another player. There is literally a million examples of this, so use discretion and common sense when botting, and always extensively test scripts before you take your eyes off of them.
Keep a realistic timeline. Nobody can play 12 hours a day for a week strait hunting the same monsters with the same methods. Don't bot the same character for more than 35 hours each week, and never more than 10 hours at once - no matter how dynamic your scripts are.
You are the player and the bot is the helper, never vice-versa. Remember who created the character. YOU DID. Your bot didn't. Don't expect it to play the game for you all of the time. If you created a character just to bot your way to the top, then you can expect to get banned. However, if you just use your bot to help you keep up with all of the no-lifers out there and you still spend hours of playtime doing quests, pking, or talking to friends on team hunts, then you have a lot lower chance of getting banned.

Conclusion

Using common sense, following these tips, and using the right bot can help you stay safe. No one can ensure your safety, but more than the majority of people who follow these tips have stayed safe - and you can too!

[Luls]

a bot that was acting equivalent to a 5 year old brother randomly smashing keys on your keyboard.

I laughed so hard :D

[zippoxer]

For all this "Safe Bot" vs "Injected Bot" war, I respond: there is no proof that the Tibia client sends any information regarding things that an "Injected Bot" usually do => there is no proof that "Injected Bot"s are less safe. It is possible, though.

Your point is right, but there's no need to say things like "is not any safer" or "a safe bot can leave you dead" simply because there is no proof for none of them.

Anyway, if you ask me, I would go XenoBot because of it's advantages over NeoBot (more options for players who are not AFK).

[Luls]

Just a bump, because I think it deserves it today.

[Y2Quake]

I think it's safe

[thorekz]

like the administrator itself said, theres no 100% safe bot for tibia but we gotta try one dont we?
now its the time to give xenobot a chance (which looks pretty cool btw)

[DarkstaR]

Everyone keeps criticising the fact that I say its "not safe." The only reason I say this is to be honest. Ekx lied to everyone by saying Neobot was safe, and banwaves proved that. XenoBot is 100% safe when used properly, but if its not then the repercussions can be bad. I would rather the user know that then have lied.

[thorekz]

Everyone keeps criticising the fact that I say its "not safe." The only reason I say this is to be honest. Ekx lied to everyone by saying Neobot was safe, and banwaves proved that. XenoBot is 100% safe when used properly, but if its not then the repercussions can be bad. I would rather the user know that then have lied.

well it doesnt matter if neobot was safer or not, now its dead so good luck growing your software :P

[nato12]

good luck with the project and hope it work well :P

[taytay13]

Everyone keeps criticising the fact that I say its "not safe." The only reason I say this is to be honest. Ekx lied to everyone by saying Neobot was safe, and banwaves proved that. XenoBot is 100% safe when used properly, but if its not then the repercussions can be bad. I would rather the user know that then have lied.

what do you mean by if used properly? theres no point adding manabars under hp bars and shit that makes it detectable. if people want to use xenobot on ots and such, make a bot thats just for ots, and for normal tibia make it that nothing is detectable

[DarkstaR]

The misconception is that those things are detectable when they aren't.

[Flappy Joe]

The misconception is that those things are detectable when they aren't.

People just 'assume' such things are detectable. They don't read up on anything and jump to conclusions.

As DarkstaR has already stated, nothing can be 100% undetectable. Things can be done to reduce the risk of the bot being detected but remember that when you purchase any sort of tibiabot, you're purchasing it at your own risk and if you're caught, you've only got yourself to blame.

I think the thread should be locked with just the original post so that people actually read it.

[SamuraiX]

I agree with DarkstaR said... There is no bot, completely safe, but for now, i think xenobot is our best choice to move on!

[Fire]

what do you mean by if used properly? theres no point adding manabars under hp bars and shit that makes it detectable. if people want to use xenobot on ots and such, make a bot thats just for ots, and for normal tibia make it that nothing is detectable By used properly he means keep switching places you bot in, sometimes hunt manually and do not bot for extremely long times nonstop. non-human behaviour is what gets you caught, not the mana bars.

Most likely the way cip takes care of botters is server-sided bot detection, monitoring the way ppl behave, the way ppl move.
If cip detected bots in another way, for example if they could see that you're manipulating the client or running a program called "neobot.exe" while playing, they could just bann every botter at once and get rid of the botters. But thats not the case since they have not banned everyone, just some ppl. These are most likely the ones who probably never used skip nearby nodes in neo, botted the same spawn for more than 10h in a row without taking a break, behaving like a bot.

Please take a look at this article.
> http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf <

More facts about injecting to the cilent that backs up what I just wrote and what darkstar has said about this matter. Written by darkstar himself!
>http://forums.tibianeobot.com/showthread.php?40975-Haters-The-only-official-thread-from-the-XenoBot-developer<


@ Up

Botting at 1 place doesn't get you banned, same for botting till lets say 42 - 14 stamina. Many people I know do it at the same place for months, bah.. years! Even on Elfbot they did the same and they never got banned? Its about something else in my opinion, for an ex. me, I only used healing on 1 noob mage around level 80 and I got banned on him. I botted like 10 other knights all 80-100+ to the limits of stamina, non of them was banned, not on neo, not on elfbot :)

SST
Healing at the exact same hp is non human behaviour, sure you had it randomized? And about being banned by cavebotting, thers a shitload of things that lowers the risk of being caught, anything that breaks the pattern in moving lowers the risk. Probably even a depositter will do it. In neo skipping nodes makes it also harder. Basically almost everything that has impact on how the character moves will do it.

[SST]

@ Up

Botting at 1 place doesn't get you banned, same for botting till lets say 42 - 14 stamina. Many people I know do it at the same place for months, bah.. years! Even on Elfbot they did the same and they never got banned? Its about something else in my opinion, for an ex. me, I only used healing on 1 noob mage around level 80 and I got banned on him. I botted like 10 other knights all 80-100+ to the limits of stamina, non of them was banned, not on neo, not on elfbot :)

[Fallen Force]

so you saying its not safe but i can use?

[thorekz]

he says be wise when using it, ergo dont use x-ray, dont bot until 0 stamina, dont bot 24 hours non-stop, etc
the bot should help the player, not be the player

[Xeno Scripts]

he says be wise when using it, ergo dont use x-ray, dont bot until 0 stamina, dont bot 24 hours non-stop, etc
the bot should help the player, not be the player

Exactly! When Lord of War created Tibiabot NG he thought about something that can help the player so the player can clean his room, do some homework, he did NOT think about going afk 24/7 for years :/

[Soap]

So, let's put like this: XenoBot is as safe as NeoBot, as long as you aren't a moron.


I'm finding it quite interesting. Since Neo is dead, this is my goal.

[Franco]

Intresting facts, let's see what happen on next massban :o!.

[Franco]

People if you're intrested you could read this article:
http://mmnet.iis.sinica.edu.tw/pub/thawonmas08_bot.pdf

or search it as "Detection of MMORPG Bots Based on Behavior Analysis" if you dont trust the link.


Edit: http://www.slideshare.net/mmnet/identifying-mmorpg-bots-a-traffic-analysis-approach

That's another usefull presentation to understand a bit more how to bot.

[Xeno Scripts]

Intresting facts, let's see what happen on next massban :o!.
It's already been out for one year :p Get a avatar! ;)

[Franco]

It's already been out for one year :p Get a avatar! ;)

HEY! you dont tell me what to do -.-

<-------- xD

[Moses]

So, let's put like this: XenoBot is as safe as NeoBot, as long as you aren't a moron.

dont use x-ray, its just asking to be banned :P

[Sharri]

As DarkstaR said, you guys gotta face that theres a server side detection, and theres no 100% safe bot, but the safe / not-safe way you use it.
I have been using magebot for over 1 year now on few accounts I used to wars and the chars has never been banned, while I've seen millions of ppl
calling magebot a suicide. Botting was always risk, so stop crying over and over again that the tool is detectable. If ur scared of your character then dont take the risk and go exp manually.

[Yoshimitsu]

Everyone keeps criticising the fact that I say its "not safe." The only reason I say this is to be honest. Ekx lied to everyone by saying Neobot was safe, and banwaves proved that. XenoBot is 100% safe when used properly, but if its not then the repercussions can be bad. I would rather the user know that then have lied.

no problem man, you're doing all right, thanks for being honest with us

and you are right too saying this:

"Using common sense, following these tips, and using the right bot can help you stay safe. No one can ensure your safety, but more than the majority of people who follow these tips have stayed safe - and you can too!"

and i can confirm, cuz i used Neobot for like 10 months 24h/day at 2011 with 3 characters (with 3 you aways have stamina ^^)
and i Never got banned

[Kungen]

I like your way of thinking DKSR.

Looking forward to see how this ends up..
keep up the good work!
peace, an old friend ;)

[fabbelito]

When my neo time runs out I'm goin to purchase. Mainly because you took you're time explaining the safety of xenobot. :)

[Bullet]

U CAN ASSURE THAT YOUR BOT IS SAFE AS NEOBOT WAS?

[Phenox]

U CAN ASSURE THAT YOUR BOT IS SAFE AS NEOBOT WAS?

lol. read bro.

[Bullet]

but in ur opinion darkstar, what do u think about MB,Elfbot, NG and all the other who inject into client and them all guides u to deletera? xenobot inject into client too ... hmmm ...

[Hawkeye]

Let's wait for next ban wave and we gonna see if DarkStar was right.

[Aydin]

but in ur opinion darkstar, what do u think about MB,Elfbot, NG and all the other who inject into client and them all guides u to deletera? xenobot inject into client too ... hmmm ...

You sir, are a stupid fuck.

[Bullet]

A moderator of forum talking this way with a client of Xenobot?! ... too bad ...

[The Giraffe]

A moderator of forum talking this way with a client of Xenobot?! ... too bad ...

You sir, are a stupid fuck.

[J.Dre]

Never bot afk. There is evidence that Cipsoft still has CM's checking up on botters on the down-low, so being at the computer at all times can save you if one comes looking for you. On top of that, you are less likely to be reported if you respond to players.

This is true. I have seen GM's online recently, in several worlds. They're coming back!

[Jonny The Smurf]

Who gives a fuck what's detectable and what will or wont get u banned..
If someone wants to bitch about being banned or xeno being detectable then go fucking manual your rats you fags..
i have botted the piss out of chars with Ng And tibia auto..
Never once have i been deleted, so im going to keep doing it until i do. it's just a fucking game.. Get banned then go do something else.Find a girl Stop wanking it.

[Smilev]

Got banned. After NeoBot I botted with xenobot only. 3-4 hours a day at venore dragon lair with lvl 140 knight.

Proove :

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9242/bankopia.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/bankopia.jpg/)

[Harvez]

Very informative :)

[popit]

so far so good :D

[Rikkom]

Well I never been deleted on my moneymakers ( I use xenobot on them ), but I just got my main deleted for using magebot just to heal. lol.

[Aquilla]

Thanks for the info<3

[Chris The Man]

Hi guys, I'm new to botting, never done it before, but today I bought a subscription and decided to do so, I don't trust cavebotting on my main, but I'm wondering, is there ANY possible chance I could get banned for only auto-looting? Like has anyone ever confirmed they were banned on a char that only auto-looted?


Thanks for your answers.

[kennedy89]

Hi guys, I'm new to botting, never done it before, but today I bought a subscription and decided to do so, I don't trust cavebotting on my main, but I'm wondering, is there ANY possible chance I could get banned for only auto-looting? Like has anyone ever confirmed they were banned on a char that only auto-looted?


Thanks for your answers.

Yes. It is always possible. It all has to do with the script you use. You need to make it look as human like as possible.

[fenol]

Bumpit up keep it goin

[Chris The Man]

Yes. It is always possible. It all has to do with the script you use. You need to make it look as human like as possible.


Ah ok thanks, I lvled my char 100% manually, and just decided to bot some noob accs for some easy money, and decided to auto-loot for my high lvl knight because my mouse right now sucks, so I really hope I don't get banned xD

[GTH]

Ah ok thanks, I lvled my char 100% manually, and just decided to bot some noob accs for some easy money, and decided to auto-loot for my high lvl knight because my mouse right now sucks, so I really hope I don't get banned xD

You'll get banned on Calmera to many assholes that report.

[Chris The Man]

You'll get banned on Calmera to many assholes that report.

If you don't know, I'm actually from calmera, but retards can't report me for botting if I'm only botting loot, not too likely, and even if they do, the most that will happen is a CM or someone will check manually to see if I'm botting or not, so they won't ban me if I reply. I saw Skyrr once because some noob reported me for no reason, and all Skyrr did was talk to me lol

[GTH]

If you don't know, I'm actually from calmera, but retards can't report me for botting if I'm only botting loot, not too likely, and even if they do, the most that will happen is a CM or someone will check manually to see if I'm botting or not, so they won't ban me if I reply. I saw Skyrr once because some noob reported me for no reason, and all Skyrr did was talk to me lol

Don't worry I know who you are and you using a bot is a little bit hypocritical. Since you seem to be the main poster on Calmera forums about reporting botters. Altho I aint heard anything in awhile from ya. Welcome to the Darkside. Maybe you will be a little nicer to people now.

Offtopic Fuzzy this guy is from Calmera.....

[sebern]

epic :D

[rolyrc28]

Hey! Guys i need help with my 3 days trails of xenobot, how are to work?

[HojteN]

good stuff man :)

[zxzero]

Very well put. Mostly common sense that you wrote here, but helpful for some none the less. :)

[Braziliano]

we all know the risks , it's like cat and mouse ..
enjoy while we can , then run & hide when they get close :p

i never bot afk
running multiple clients at once , then i use another laptop or computer .. to walk around and check things out :D

oh btw , i love the new design! keep up the good work =]

[Mish]

What I was wondering all along;

why did nobody ever try to simulate a bot and see if they get banned?

Saying "hi thais yes" without money in your pockets for a few hours straight by putting something on your keyboard
or trying to withdraw negative amounts all the time
...etc


should clarify a lot

[xiaospike]

What I was wondering all along;

why did nobody ever try to simulate a bot and see if they get banned?

Saying "hi thais yes" without money in your pockets for a few hours straight by putting something on your keyboard
or trying to withdraw negative amounts all the time
...etc


should clarify a lot

List of things we have tried.
1) The glitcher. (Swapping between stealth rings & frozen starlight) with 200ms delay for about 3 hours.
2) Withdraw 10kk and putting it back for a whole day. Ss to ss.
3) withdraw 123,456,789, (an amount which I do not have!) From ss to as.
4) Travelling without gold.
5) Travelled between venore & thais for 3 hours
6) Shouted "JX @ XB" at yalahar depo for a whole day.
7) Spammed "JX @ XB" at trade.
8) Posted a link to my thread on labels and letters. Throwing it all over depo.
9) Tossing gold and picking it up for hours on the same spot.
10) Ran around Thais for almost a whole week.
11) Asked for healing from cipfried on rook for hours.
12) Botted the bugs that gave no exp on rook.
13) Spoke to the oracle (hi , no) for a whole day.
14) Ran between the bank & depo in Yalahar saying "The sky is falling."

The list goes on...

[Lystek]

http://1.ii.gl/J7Tpbd.png

What do you guys think about this? Cm make monster with . or ? in name and see if we will kill this monster, ofc we will not because this monster is not in targeting list.

[DarkstaR]

http://1.ii.gl/J7Tpbd.png

What do you guys think about this? Cm make monster with . or ? in name and see if we will kill this monster, ofc we will not because this monster is not in targeting list.

I have already added functionality which should ignore all punctuation in creature names.

[Boomtune]

http://1.ii.gl/J7Tpbd.png

What do you guys think about this? Cm make monster with . or ? in name and see if we will kill this monster, ofc we will not because this monster is not in targeting list.

Did you found that screen or made it yourself? ;)

[Lystek]

Did you found that screen or made it yourself? ;)

I was searching about mass bans on others forums and i found this picture. I found this too:
Strange Creature Name typos (confirmed)
Char gets teleported to temple before deletion (confirmed): https://www.tibiacast.com/recordings?sort=Sort+by+date&search=Recording+915518&world=all&min-level=1&max-level=700 40 min
Characters being deleted because of same registration on all owner accounts (high probability)

[firestone chetos]

I was searching about mass bans on others forums and i found this picture. I found this too:
Strange Creature Name typos (confirmed)
Char gets teleported to temple before deletion (confirmed): https://www.tibiacast.com/recordings?sort=Sort+by+date&search=Recording+915518&world=all&min-level=1&max-level=700 40 min
Characters being deleted because of same registration on all owner accounts (high probability)

i never registered my bot accs, so FAIL

[laxblaxwax]

Some friends and I just returned to Tibia after about a 3 year break. We weren't sure what bots were still viable, we used to use NG and elfbot but those are no longer options. We tried using blackd and sure enough we all got banned on the first ban wave. I've read this thread and understand that there's no guarantee about not getting banned. I'm just wondering how many and how often xenobot users are getting banned? Trying to decide if it's worth buying or just giving up on tibia altogether. (too lazy to play without bot ;) )

[gagec89]

Ive used xenobot + xeno Mc on 3 chars a day, 15 hours a day, for the past year.. never been banned, some of my characters even get stuck in scripts in middle of hunt and spam, Hi, Deposit all, Yes.. for hours, never been banned, Like people say, nothing is 100% but Xenobot is the best ive used, and the ONLY one I will use. 110% props to Darkstar and his honesty about his bot. But If you ask me I think he lied a bit, because IMO it is 100% safe. He has created the best bot that's been available thus far.

My advice to you, Subscribe, Enjoy, LvL and be grateful that hes blessed us with such a tool, that we can set our characters up and enjoy real life, and tibia at the exact same time.

[Tan]

Most of the people getting banned are botting on crowded places which leads to you being reported over and over again. So if you bot crowded places be extra sure that you follow everything DarkstaR said in this thread.

[coadygallantwork]

I activated my 3 day free trial and registered my account. How come I can not log into my account on xenobot

[Mattt]

I activated my 3 day free trial and registered my account. How come I can not log into my account on xenobot

Xenobot not updated with new client yet as creator can not do so for next 2-3 days. Read around next time. ;]

[HolmaN]

He's in the middle of moving from one place to another. That lead to lack of time to spend on updating. He'll take care of it as soon as he reach his destination.

[Afromanz]

@UP: He's done it already xD

[Westheim92]

Hello :) why cant I find the "script" map? I cant use download scripts and use em at all.. And I just paid for this

[mastro]

Ive used xenobot + xeno Mc on 3 chars a day, 15 hours a day, for the past year.. never been banned, some of my characters even get stuck in scripts in middle of hunt and spam, Hi, Deposit all, Yes.. for hours, never been banned, Like people say, nothing is 100% but Xenobot is the best ive used, and the ONLY one I will use. 110% props to Darkstar and his honesty about his bot. But If you ask me I think he lied a bit, because IMO it is 100% safe. He has created the best bot that's been available thus far.

My advice to you, Subscribe, Enjoy, LvL and be grateful that hes blessed us with such a tool, that we can set our characters up and enjoy real life, and tibia at the exact same time.

im pretty new in using bot's so ive used just xeno for about 2-3 months im not sure but so far i did made 103ms 92 ek on my main acc 71 59 48 knights on facc which are dropping loot all the time hunting all night longs at empty spawn so never reported just got stuck few times as gegec said but survived already about 2 mass bans get bit scared after last update so i decided to not using mc idk just checking subjects like this one
pretty happy about results and saved time havent tested other bots but this xeno is badass wont let u down

sr pretty hard im reading this fukn buzzen
safe

[Kody]

thank you for your honesty, i am a new user at this bot but i am getting used to it :) much respect though sir

[davethemonnymaker]

tibia have overcome xenobott, i did just get ban on one account and a frind alsow lost one, its realy easy to get banned now times

[pajfest]

tibia have overcome xenobott, i did just get ban on one account and a frind alsow lost one, its realy easy to get banned now times
Did you bot a lot of just use healer and shit?

[davethemonnymaker]

i did uce on empty spawns like for my knights

[sweetb]

Thank you for the safety tips. I was curious if AI has improved since you originally made this post. I've been researching bottl detection techniques, and was curious if you think cip has improved their bot detection techniques. Three years is a long time for technology. Any input you could give would be greatly appreciated.

[DarkstaR]

Thank you for the safety tips. I was curious if AI has improved since you originally made this post. I've been researching bottl detection techniques, and was curious if you think cip has improved their bot detection techniques. Three years is a long time for technology. Any input you could give would be greatly appreciated.

Three years isn't a long time for Cip, as we can see from their 17 year old game that still plays like its from 2001

[pajfest]

Three years isn't a long time for Cip, as we can see from their 17 year old game that still plays like its from 2001
Is there anything new you can say about all the deletions? Do you have any theories as to what is happening? I'd like to hear the opinion of someone who develops one of the most popular bots. :P

[hans henrik]

judging by complains on forum, there has been a considerable raise in Xenobotters being banned...since early 2015... whatever new cipsoft is doing, they seem to detect xenobot these days :/

[Ben]

They're detecting xenobot no more then any other bot. All the bots are having more people get detected, especially with new accounts.

[Master Mido]

does being premium or high level reduce the probabilty of account deletion??
and may the deletion occur without any warning??

[Ben]

It appears that being prem and a higher level both reduce your chances of deletion. And as far as I know CIP doesn't give out any warnings, maybe an email though saying your account was deleted.

[shadowart]

I'm not sure if being prem gives any protection other than the ability to hunt in less crowded places, bit it's definitely a plausible theory.

[Master Mido]

now i knew how deletion come xD

Back to my 306 EK with 50 millions in Shadowcores :)

no warnings no messages no e-mails just wrong account or password and the character with this name doesn't exist

thx too much i was thinking to be premium u did me a favour deleting it b4 i do

[Weathercock]

The way I see it, PACC gives you more protection. It would make sense. If Cip really wants to lose money, they'd detect and delete all the PACCs' characters out there (imo). No one knows for sure, but this is my strong (opinionated) hunch on this haha.

[Master Mido]

The way I see it, PACC gives you more protection. It would make sense. If Cip really wants to lose money, they'd detect and delete all the PACCs' characters out there (imo). No one knows for sure, but this is my strong (opinionated) hunch on this haha.

Agree with you that premium almsot protect you more, they have money now and they work to earn more not to lose

Shadowcores is better now. after hard working botting for hours :) got deleted without warning at the end.

Shadowcores 305 ek is my decision premium for free, botting freely i have 50 millions so i can buy prem scrolls to buy from the shop

[DarkstaR]

The way I see it, PACC gives you more protection. It would make sense. If Cip really wants to lose money, they'd detect and delete all the PACCs' characters out there (imo). No one knows for sure, but this is my strong (opinionated) hunch on this haha.


This is wrong. It's common knowledge in the gaming industry that when fighting botters, you let them bot peacefully for a few months and then do ban-waves all at once. Why? Because if they've survived for a few months and they are paying customers there's a good chance they'll purchase a new account and do the same thing all over again. If they get banned right away, however, they'll find it hopeless and move on to a new game.


Psychology has fucked you in the ass.

[Asylum]

This is wrong. It's common knowledge in the gaming industry that when fighting botters, you let them bot peacefully for a few months and then do ban-waves all at once. Why? Because if they've survived for a few months and they are paying customers there's a good chance they'll purchase a new account and do the same thing all over again. If they get banned right away, however, they'll find it hopeless and move on to a new game.


Psychology has fucked you in the ass.
This. I couldn't explain it any better myself.

[Jesseh]

DarkstaR is right, they hook you into the game, after that they can delete you, and most of the people will come back to play on a new char (PACC) anyway. Just check bot forums, it's replete with those things.

[Weathercock]

This is wrong. It's common knowledge in the gaming industry that when fighting botters, you let them bot peacefully for a few months and then do ban-waves all at once. Why? Because if they've survived for a few months and they are paying customers there's a good chance they'll purchase a new account and do the same thing all over again. If they get banned right away, however, they'll find it hopeless and move on to a new game.


Psychology has fucked you in the ass.
Yeah, sure. I agree with that, to an extent. My thing is, I feel like they probably delete premium accounts that constantly buy or use scrolls. I know that might sound like an obvious observation, but think about it. Do you really think they're going to delete someone that's constantly renewing monthly memberships? I wouldn't think so. Obviously it may not seem like the wisest thing to bot your main account, But I know a few people on the Retro worlds that bot their mains that they pay premium for. I just think there's so many variables to this entire thing in itself. Having said that, who's to say who's really right or accurate about these things? None of us (that I know of haha) work for Cip in these forums.

[DarkstaR]

Yes, they are. It happens all the time. It's not a question that needs answering, 70+% of people who get banned are premium on a subscription.

[xxroyalsxx]

I have a little question, if I only inject it, without putting any function (no heal,no cave it,no loot,...) and that I am reported, does Cip will be able to detect it?

I know you said that Xenobot is not 100% safe, but I just want to understand how the detection works.
Thank you

[Stusse]

I have a little question, if I only inject it, without putting any function (no heal,no cave it,no loot,...) and that I am reported, does Cip will be able to detect it?

I know you said that Xenobot is not 100% safe, but I just want to understand how the detection works.
Thank you
What would be the point injecting without using any features?

/Stusse

[DarkstaR]

What would be the point injecting without using any features?

/Stusse

He probably means because of auto inject.
xxroyalsxx It will be fine, the only detection they have is server-sided, so it wont know the bot is injected if you're not using any features.

[attepatte]

Thinking of botting a moneymaker on a different account than My main. Any chance of the main account which i've used bot months ago to get deleted cuz of the moneymaker? ( thinking IP vise etc)

[DarkstaR]

Thinking of botting a moneymaker on a different account than My main. Any chance of the main account which i've used bot months ago to get deleted cuz of the moneymaker? ( thinking IP vise etc)

Yes, they've been known to link accounts together and ban ones that don't even bot.

[Menbro]

Do not talk about botting in game, even if its in a private message to a trusted person. For all you know, cipsoft can be searching logs for people talking about botting.


I can absolutely confirm that our converstations ARE recorded. The reason I am able to say this is maybe 2 months ago someone reported a statement that I said because it was insulting. The statement I said was so VAGUE because I was splitting the sentances into multiple lines so I figured I could surely pull one over on them and argue that the statement was NOT a punishable offence.

WRONG. I promptly received an email back from a CIP team member with a good chunk of the convo proving that infact I had said something extremely offencive. Fact is they DO have a way to storing our conversations regardless of wether it's a private message or not.

Here is what the rule violation report said on my Tibia Account page

Date: Oct 06 2015, 11:51:43 CEST
Last Edit Date: Oct 07 2015, 10:41:16 CEST
Acknowledgement Date: Oct 06 2015, 16:11:08 CEST
Character: ##########
Severity: Mild
Reason: offensive statement
Comment: Offensive statements are a violation of Tibia Rule 2a
Statement: "Poland is just as bad" (Oct 03 2015, 19:35:45 CEST, in Private Message)

Seem's pretty inocent right?

And here is the response I got back from CIP upon complaining about the violation
For the record I feel bad for saying what I did and really dont have anything against Polish people. This kid was just being an asshole and this doesn't excuse my racism. (Sorry in advance folks)

Thank you for your request.

You have received an entry in your rule violation record for making an offensive statement, which is a violation of the Tibia Rules. We have carefully reviewed the entry.

Here is an extract from the chat log on which the entry was based:

Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:45 ####### Poland is just as bad
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:53 ####### its a shame it wasn't wiped out during
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:56 ####### WW2

The entry in the rule violation record was justified. I am afraid we are not prepared to remove it. Please read the Tibia Rules at http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules carefully and follow them at all times to make sure your account will not be punished again.

Kind regards,
######
Tibia Customer Support

Moral of the story is don't be a racist asshole
And don't think that because you're splitting up your sentances into multiple lines that you're off the hook from statement reports.

[Menbro]

I'd also like to add that I've had 2 accounts deleted while using Xenobot. Here's the details on my bans.

First account had 2 level 110-130 KNIGHTS. I had more or less just got the account premium for the first time and had moved both chars to Liberty Bay to do the Pirate Task and farm the boss items.(I have done this on 2 other accounts prior with success)
I botted one of the knights down to about 18 hours of stamina when I decided I was going to go to out and meet a friend. I ended up staying out for WAY longer than I had expected and came back to find the character had maybe 10 hours of stamina, getting(Half i think) EXP and zero loot. Next day the account was deleted. I've heard that botting Nargor Pirates is just asking for a deletion but I'm sure it was because of the stamina and duration of which I hunted for.

Second account had one KNIGHT level 98 FACC. I had botted the character from 1-98 in about 2 months (Go me)using various scripts downloaded from reliable sources and a lot that I made myself. (I always put tons of time making my scripts being sure to test, test and test again for zero chance of getting stuck and smooth flowing waypoints. I also make them in spawns that you would never expect to see a botter because they're WAY out of the way or they're very difficult to get to for one reason or another. But when the account got deleted I was running him in Orc Fortress using a script that I had downloaded but EDITED to drop the Halberds in the non-reset tile in the sewer, That is in my opinion the reason I was detected. Every lap it would go to the exact same spot and drop loot in the exact same tile using the exact same delay.

Hopefully some of you will find this helpful when using/making scripts and avoiding deletion, I surely learned something.

[Apoc]

Do not talk about botting in game, even if its in a private message to a trusted person. For all you know, cipsoft can be searching logs for people talking about botting.


I can absolutely confirm that our converstations ARE recorded. The reason I am able to say this is maybe 2 months ago someone reported a statement that I said because it was insulting. The statement I said was so VAGUE because I was splitting the sentances into multiple lines so I figured I could surely pull one over on them and argue that the statement was NOT a punishable offence.

WRONG. I promptly received an email back from a CIP team member with a good chunk of the convo proving that infact I had said something extremely offencive. Fact is they DO have a way to storing our conversations regardless of wether it's a private message or not.

Here is what the rule violation report said on my Tibia Account page

Date: Oct 06 2015, 11:51:43 CEST
Last Edit Date: Oct 07 2015, 10:41:16 CEST
Acknowledgement Date: Oct 06 2015, 16:11:08 CEST
Character: ##########
Severity: Mild
Reason: offensive statement
Comment: Offensive statements are a violation of Tibia Rule 2a
Statement: "Poland is just as bad" (Oct 03 2015, 19:35:45 CEST, in Private Message)

Seem's pretty inocent right?

And here is the response I got back from CIP upon complaining about the violation
For the record I feel bad for saying what I did and really dont have anything against Polish people. This kid was just being an asshole and this doesn't excuse my racism. (Sorry in advance folks)

Thank you for your request.

You have received an entry in your rule violation record for making an offensive statement, which is a violation of the Tibia Rules. We have carefully reviewed the entry.

Here is an extract from the chat log on which the entry was based:

Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:45 ####### Poland is just as bad
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:53 ####### its a shame it wasn't wiped out during
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:56 ####### WW2

The entry in the rule violation record was justified. I am afraid we are not prepared to remove it. Please read the Tibia Rules at http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules carefully and follow them at all times to make sure your account will not be punished again.

Kind regards,
######
Tibia Customer Support

Moral of the story is don't be a racist asshole
And don't think that because you're splitting up your sentances into multiple lines that you're off the hook from statement reports.

Gotta love the comment tho, so funny. Yet racist, xD.

[zameq]

Just lost ~230ek with activited pacc. Botted for 8h daily on empty spot. Someone tried to lure mobs on me and reported. Imho they dont detect it but delete after report. Used 7 other chars at this time and other arent banned.

[zameq]

Next ek 120lvl lost. I run script and minimalized window for over 1h. Script crashed and bot stayed in depo for 60mins. Account deleted :(

[BlueIsNotRed]

Then make sure to run a better script next time :O

[playmate]

They didn't detect that you were lured on and probably got stuck? Say what now?

[smurfman]

Yes, they've been known to link accounts together and ban ones that don't even bot.

Do you know if they can only detect Ip addresses of accounts(if I multi client and bot a few characters at the same time) or if they can link 2 MCed accounts together via MAC address?

[Sheradial]

Do you know if they can only detect Ip addresses of accounts(if I multi client and bot a few characters at the same time) or if they can link 2 MCed accounts together via MAC address?

There has been people getting mass ip deleted, and I am 90% sure same Hardware Id helps.

If i was you I'd get a VPS and VPN so you won't get deleted on any manual characters.

[smurfman]

There has been people getting mass ip deleted, and I am 90% sure same Hardware Id helps.

If i was you I'd get a VPS and VPN so you won't get deleted on any manual characters.

Does a vpn actually hide your hardware ID from cipsoft?

[Sheradial]

Does a vpn actually hide your hardware ID from cipsoft?
No, thats why you use a vps or anothrt machine ;)

[driper]

So different computers on same router isnt a problem?
You dont have to worry about that?

[Alexis3421]

So I have a hunch about the way some detections might occur. I understand that the way xenobot moves the character is by simulating keystrokes and not actual mapclicks, is that right? If that's the case then listen to this.
Consider the following, when you hold a letter key on the keyboard it prints a long string of that letter. So it periodically prints that letter with some delay like 50 ms or something. Now while that's true for the end of the string, it's not true inbetween the first and second print where there's a larger delay. Try it yourself with holding a letter key and you'll understand I hope.
Where it becomes interesting that this also is the case with arrow keys. Try going up and down this webpage, you'll see the delay. I also remember this being the case in tibia when you move your character in a straight line and between the first walked tile and second there's a small pause. I can't know for sure 100% since I'm banned and don't have a high level character that walks fast enough where you can see it clearly.
Now that delay can be set smaller or larger in the OS keyboard settings but it still remains noticable. I'm not sure how data packets are sent to cipsoft's servers when moving a character with a keyboard, but I'm sure that this case of what I'm talking about must be taken into account when simulating keystrokes.

What do you guys think about it? Am I talking shit and is this already incorporated in the bot?

[Shorov]

Thanks xD

[danielofafreddo]

Hello