Deletions

[jikoe]

I was wondering how cipsoft is checking which characters are being botted, because im using bot on my main accounts lvl 200+ all the time without deletion.

I made 3 weeks ago 30 accounts , all with different registration data , different acc/passwords, different e-mails etc.

20 of them i botted to lvl 8 in the last 3 weeks > all deleted
10 of them i lvled to level 35 in the last 3 weeks > all deleted

how tha fuck? XD

do they check the accounts being created from specifik ips or what?

[spnz0x]

do they check the accounts being created from specifik ips or what?Probably

[jikoe]

ill start tommorow over again, this time i will be creating accounts with several proxys, lets see how long these last :D

[Y2Quakepc2]

Same shit happened to me 3 times (with new characters and 3 different methods)

Now i got a method that seems to be working.

[raiQi]

ill start tommorow over again, this time i will be creating accounts with several proxys, lets see how long these last :D
Tell us later if that method worked better or if you still got all 30 accounts banned. Would be fun to know :D

[Gordo]

Same shit happened to me 3 times (with new characters and 3 different methods)

Now i got a method that seems to be working.

teach us senpai

[jikoe]

Same shit happened to me 3 times (with new characters and 3 different methods)

Now i got a method that seems to be working.

what method? :D

[Koksik22]

same me, now i just reset my router to change ip when im creating new accounts (we gonna check if its help)

[jikoe]

same me, now i just reset my router to change ip when im creating new accounts (we gonna check if its help)

well maybe if Y2Quakepc2 share his method its not needed to get deleted like 3x XD

[jikoe]

Y2Quakepc2 cmon tell us your secret :D

[sausting]

i have probably lost close to 20 accounts. Now i use 2x as many accounts rotating them so they're not on 24/7

[Mageq]

I dont know if I'm lucky or they are waiting to ban all my chars, I've never been banned except for dicers, the only thing I do that I see most other people dont is bot 1 character per account, I know this is not the most efficient way but I haven't been banned yet? Try it yourself.

[Y2Quakepc2]

some tips regarding new accounts:

- 1. Try to randomize names but make them look a lil bit real, stuff related with real stuff or names.
- 2. DO NOT USE INFERNAL BOLT'S ROOKGARD SCRIPT NOR ANY OF THE KNOWN ONES. (I think this is the most important step, believe me i got deleted on atleast 100+ accounts and tried very different methods using this same script)
- 3. Do not make all the accounts at the same time (This is probably important aswell)

I made a rats script and i have a rookgader who will save my equipment in the worlds i am (this rookgader was made with infernals script), so when i create a new character i just give him full gear and start running my rats script (which also has some randomizers)

[Wesker]

your using bad scripts, if you have an account and you walk the same paterns over and over again, its an instant pass to deletera

this is how it might work

http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

[Kamoblindside77]

your using bad scripts, if you have an account and you walk the same paterns over and over again, its an instant pass to deletera

this is how it might work

http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

I disagree with that, theres a few accounts i have with 3 chars on each on a few different worlds that do a rotation all botted down to 15h stamina in the same spawn non stop and no bans

[Kamoblindside77]

your using bad scripts, if you have an account and you walk the same paterns over and over again, its an instant pass to deletera

this is how it might work

http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

but most likely im getting lucky

ps that article was interesting

[Wesker]

but most likely im getting lucky

ps that article was interesting

Seems like you posted before reading it, and then you thought about it after reading it.


A reminder is that tibia or cipsoft has pointed out that the investigation of such occurrences it will take and retrieve information for 6-12 months with that in mind you will be probably safe 1 month, some people report you they will investigate your account and therefor your characters and then finally the patterns walked by the characters and voila deleted.

It's fairly easy to say that walking the same paths in several characters on the same account gives them a tracking advantage on your account.keep in mind that this might be triggered by reports, that's the only reason you're still "safe".

[xiaospike]

Seems like you posted before reading it, and then you thought about it after reading it.


A reminder is that tibia or cipsoft has pointed out that the investigation of such occurrences it will take and retrieve information for 6-12 months with that in mind you will be probably safe 1 month, some people report you they will investigate your account and therefor your characters and then finally the patterns walked by the characters and voila deleted.

It's fairly easy to say that walking the same paths in several characters on the same account gives them a tracking advantage on your account.keep in mind that this might be triggered by reports, that's the only reason you're still "safe".


Any evidence to support the bolded statement?

[Wesker]

Any evidence to support the bolded statement?

do you ever read tibia news ?
also if you ask them why they deleted your account they will response somethign like "we have been investigating your accoutn for this lapse of time and the automatic tool bla bla bla" check the archive

[xiaospike]

do you ever read tibia news ?
also if you ask them why they deleted your account they will response somethign like "we have been investigating your accoutn for this lapse of time and the automatic tool bla bla bla" check the archive

404 error.
Evidence not found.

[Wesker]

404 error.
Evidence not found.

It's so pointless to argue with some1 that can't understand the rules and the game and doesn't know how the server side detecting tools work.

i think its in here
http://eprints.nuim.ie/2903/1/ETIN_de_paoli_kerr_crimesandpunishment_2011.pdf


directly from craban.




TibiaNews: When you are not busy fixing the problems in a test server, or collecting and analyzing data, do you ever have a little bit of fun and do stuff that you wouldn't normally be allowed to do?
Craban: Hmmmm, well, I sometimes eat peanuts from Mercs supplies which he certainly would not allow me to ...

TibiaNews: What do you think about Tibian cheaters? (The botters, macroers, etc.)
Craban: Hate 'em! But I love the sound of them .... You know, you never hear anything from then until .... Cra BAN!!!!!!
TibiaNews:
Craban: No, but seriously, we are currently working on ideas on how to handle cheaters effectively. We will do this with very careful planning, so we will take all the time we need to come to a good solution.



source : http://www.tibianews.net/component/content/article/83-interviews/224-interview-with-cm-craban.html


This has been said over and over, finding the articles its a pain in the ass, its obvious they collect and analize data.

DarkstaR congratz on xenbot ????


http://www.tibianews.net/test1/2420-an-overview-of-the-botting-problem.html


This gap didn’t last long however as many newly found corporations have started taking the business over. We saw the rise of Orkbot, Xenbot


funny interview :

http://www.tibianews.net/test1/1415-interview-with-the-auto-detect-system.html

[xiaospike]

It's so pointless to argue with some1 that can't understand the rules and the game and doesn't know how the server side detecting tools work.

i think its in here
http://eprints.nuim.ie/2903/1/ETIN_de_paoli_kerr_crimesandpunishment_2011.pdf


directly from craban.





source : http://www.tibianews.net/component/content/article/83-interviews/224-interview-with-cm-craban.html


This has been said over and over, finding the articles its a pain in the ass, its obvious they collect and analize data.

I requested for sources, that is considered an argument?

I don't even want to know what it must be like to argue with.... you.

By the way...

Nothing, in any of the sources that you posted, supports the statement that you mentioned: "tibia or cipsoft has pointed out that the investigation of such occurrences it will take and retrieve information for 6-12 months"

[Wesker]

I requested for sources, that is considered an argument?

I don't even want to know what it must be like to argue with.... you.

By the way...

Nothing, in any of the sources that you posted, supports the statement that you mentioned: "tibia or cipsoft has pointed out that the investigation of such occurrences it will take and retrieve information for 6-12 months"

to know about you need to read tibia forums, a thing you didnt do, and i cant just say o right i remember april 25 at 1 pm they posted this : ""

this isnt a debate, i am not prepared for this however thats how the server side detection works, but if you cant read the paper posted previously then why am i answering to you ??? its pointless, i posted some google it your self.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+google

[Joshwa534]

EDIT: Removed, don't have time for this debate, sorry.

[xiaospike]

Wesker

Still no evidence found....

[Pinnicle]

do you ever read tibia news ?
also if you ask them why they deleted your account they will response somethign like "we have been investigating your accoutn for this lapse of time and the automatic tool bla bla bla" check the archive

A lapse of time can be anywhere from 10 minutes to 10 years. Your statement is false.

[Wesker]

o mai gad, this speculation again, threads from cipsoft, and reptile aliens taking over Obama care.


1.- I do agree with most of what you put in the post josh
2.- The statement was released by tibia I didn't pull that info out of my ass, they said the account its not banned until they had enough evidence and it was 6-12 months or 3-12 months something like that
4. - The automatic system has evolved its not the same thing that was in 2010-2011-2012-2013 as it evolves, it might need less and less information or different mode of action for new accounts, this is something I can't talk about as you said before cipsoft didn't release a statement on "how they do it".
5. - Before neobot forum died, we had an archive of players deleted that had sent an email to cipsoft and been unbanned, some didn't some others are fake, just like any other bot, they posted the letters and in that "era" they said they had been tracing the account for x amount of time and it wont be unbanned.
6. - They have a report system its smart to assume it works for something (this is an assumption the automatic tool starts a trace after x amount of reports to x account, and this is my personal view on it)
7.- How the automatic tool works ???? I think that's fairly easy and I'm not the only one that things that its tracing like the previous article posted here, Raphael did a script to trace your waypoint, to check if it was possible but neobot died before he spread the script.
8.- Have you notice the time lapse between reporting a botter and the answer from server ?
when you report a statment its about 24 hrs
when i reported botters its about 1-3-6 months that i got an answer (im going to assume here that they investigate the report, i think its fairly safe to say they do.)


with everthing in mind, yeah im pretty sure thats the way they do it.
you can dissagree but theres not much you can say about any other method, but feel free to post your assumptions

and btw i never said they use ip addreses to detect anything, i did talk about the same patern in the same account but im not in any way relating it to ip address

DarkstaR I went to your YouTube channel didn't find anything or any blog about server side detection more like what xenobot does against intruders (it was cool tho) planning on doing a blog about it or you won't speculate about it

[Kamoblindside77]

Seems like you posted before reading it, and then you thought about it after reading it.


A reminder is that tibia or cipsoft has pointed out that the investigation of such occurrences it will take and retrieve information for 6-12 months with that in mind you will be probably safe 1 month, some people report you they will investigate your account and therefor your characters and then finally the patterns walked by the characters and voila deleted.

It's fairly easy to say that walking the same paths in several characters on the same account gives them a tracking advantage on your account.keep in mind that this might be triggered by reports, that's the only reason you're still "safe".

dude the thread starter says hes been using scripts and been getting deleted within DAYS. Considering that the place my guys are botting has 4-5 other people usually tibia should hve ALOT of data to support them correct?

[jikoe]

dude the thread starter says hes been using scripts and been getting deleted within DAYS. Considering that the place my guys are botting has 4-5 other people usually tibia should hve ALOT of data to support them correct?

i was actually exping on a (nearly) empty world - inferna. So i shouldnt have gotten than many reports. The problem was all my 30 accounts got deleted on the same day. It was like 15 accounts lvl 30-40 and 15 account which i just botter to lvl 8. Maybe they got deleted because i created all accounts in the same evening or something.... Well i guess we will never know........

[Y2Quakepc2]

i was actually exping on a (nearly) empty world - inferna. So i shouldnt have gotten than many reports. The problem was all my 30 accounts got deleted on the same day. It was like 15 accounts lvl 30-40 and 15 account which i just botter to lvl 8. Maybe they got deleted because i created all accounts in the same evening or something.... Well i guess we will never know........

did u see my post? follow this steps and tell us

[Pinnicle]

o mai gad, this speculation again, threads from cipsoft, and reptile aliens taking over Obama care.


1.- I do agree with most of what you put in the post josh
2.- The statement was released by tibia I didn't pull that info out of my ass, they said the account its not banned until they had enough evidence and it was 6-12 months or 3-12 months something like that
4. - The automatic system has evolved its not the same thing that was in 2010-2011-2012-2013 as it evolves, it might need less and less information or different mode of action for new accounts, this is something I can't talk about as you said before cipsoft didn't release a statement on "how they do it".
5. - Before neobot forum died, we had an archive of players deleted that had sent an email to cipsoft and been unbanned, some didn't some others are fake, just like any other bot, they posted the letters and in that "era" they said they had been tracing the account for x amount of time and it wont be unbanned.
6. - They have a report system its smart to assume it works for something (this is an assumption the automatic tool starts a trace after x amount of reports to x account, and this is my personal view on it)
7.- How the automatic tool works ???? I think that's fairly easy and I'm not the only one that things that its tracing like the previous article posted here, Raphael did a script to trace your waypoint, to check if it was possible but neobot died before he spread the script.
8.- Have you notice the time lapse between reporting a botter and the answer from server ?
when you report a statment its about 24 hrs
when i reported botters its about 1-3-6 months that i got an answer (im going to assume here that they investigate the report, i think its fairly safe to say they do.)


with everthing in mind, yeah im pretty sure thats the way they do it.
you can dissagree but theres not much you can say about any other method, but feel free to post your assumptions

and btw i never said they use ip addreses to detect anything, i did talk about the same patern in the same account but im not in any way relating it to ip address

DarkstaR I went to your YouTube channel didn't find anything or any blog about server side detection more like what xenobot does against intruders (it was cool tho) planning on doing a blog about it or you won't speculate about it

1- Source please
2- Source please, how do you know the tool has been "evolved" or even worked on since the release? Assumption?
5- Source please
6- Of course the report system was put in place for a reason, it's not smart it's common sense.
8- Assume again. I guess so?

So because we disagree with you, there is little to say about any other method?

I assume that the detection tool is not real, gamemasters are just hiding (their like secret agents). Craban actually tweeted this but I can't provide the source.

I just did what you did, so basically my "method" is no different from yours. It's just you assuming shit with no real sources.
If you added sources, I'd be sure to read them and if they match up to what you are saying, I would say "Sorry Wesker, you are god".

You think you know what CipSoft are running - but you don't.

[Wesker]

yup your correct i just wrote this and publish it with some other guy name http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

because i have no idea what server side detection is, im just making stuff up, its probably not the same waypoint over and over again, they dont have any tool just pick random names out of a hat and those are the names of characters been deleted, i have been blind folded all this time, ty for your wisdom.

it was so obvious that they wont update a detection tool, just the map and items and why should they work on something thats already perfect, the HAT works.

i just remember that craban is using the same hat, harry potter has OMGGGGGGGGG the truth is out ty @<a href="http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=28533" target="_blank">Pinnicle</a> now we know how it works


http://media.tumblr.com/2fc3cd20bcb2a77fbedffc431edf42e6/tumblr_inline_n3i2cc5yi31qiegmy.gif



i just found a video of craban showing hes method omg !!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRam_Lodvg

[jikoe]

did u see my post? follow this steps and tell us

no time for it now will try again later :D

[CaptainReynolds]

Sorry to bump a thread a few days old, but for anyone who was actually curious, I remembered recently reading the same thing Wesker was talking about and I believe he is right. Sorry to feed the Wesker (no offense Wesker). Have a good one!

http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Bot

"All you have to do is to wait patiently for the system to collect enough evidence, which can take up to 12 months."