Botting and playing manually at the same time

[Stolf]

Hey guys,

Just got deleted the other day for the first time. The "reason?" I think was all my money transfers and
parcels in-between two knights on the same account every two days for about 1-2 weeks. (Speculations ofc).

I still feel the urge to play/bot tibia, so I was thinking of obtaining another PC, a second one.
The idea behind this is to bot 3-6 faccs (moneymakers) with Xenobot (got lifetime) or Windbot, AND 1-2 paccs, whilst
playing manually on my main computer.

I will create a new account on my main PC, never ever use the bot nor MC on that account. The only connection I ever will have with
the botted accounts is money-dropping or money-transferring. I will buy a house in Venore and money-launder like a mafia boss, if that's what it takes.

Am I still going to be in the "risk-zone" with my manual account (Same network, same IP, accused of MC?)

Would like to hear your thoughts and ideas if you got any to share!
Or if some of you have great success stories botting, reaching 250+ and how you did it, multiple characters on the same account etc!

[kimpan1337]

I guess you dont have them on same reg with ur name etc etc , and maybe use vpn on the other computers :P

[Trolled1337xx]

We can never know how to be safe...? xD

[Nakuu]

I think you might still get deleted but if you provide strong arguments they will undelete you, happened to few people already - unless it's a money keeping character then they won't undelete it most likely because it's too obvious but if it's main character which is qutie high level and you play it only manually - not even once bot injected then you should be fine.

[sausting]

is injection alone (no settings) even possible to detect?


You can never know ;)
:rolleyes:

[Nakuu]

is injection alone (no settings) even possible to detect?

You can never know ;)

[sausting]

delete

[Stolf]

Thanks for the info guys! Got a little bit of an update for you, something that occured as recent as this morning.

Bought prem on a free account 4 days ago, on an account I've been botting some (lvl 60 knight) and created 3 new characters and started offline training them.
Today that account got deleted. I botted 4 free accounts simultaneously, which none of got deleted. My highest character is 190 and haven't gotten deleted yet. I find this very odd, annoying and disturbing.

I just received my second computer today. What do you guys reckon I do? Should I register all the accounts and "order" Rec-key and so on?
I feel like a homeless child with no food nor clothes :( I'd like to bot 1-3 prem accs 24/7. I want to I want to!!!

Thanks!

[Jesseh]

Thanks for the info guys! Got a little bit of an update for you, something that occured as recent as this morning.

Bought prem on a free account 4 days ago, on an account I've been botting some (lvl 60 knight) and created 3 new characters and started offline training them.
Today that account got deleted. I botted 4 free accounts simultaneously, which none of got deleted. My highest character is 190 and haven't gotten deleted yet. I find this very odd, annoying and disturbing.

I just received my second computer today. What do you guys reckon I do? Should I register all the accounts and "order" Rec-key and so on?
I feel like a homeless child with no food nor clothes :( I'd like to bot 1-3 prem accs 24/7. I want to I want to!!!

Thanks!

I believe you should put your bot chars in one PC, and your main non-botted char on other PC. If you use a proxy service that's better in my opinion due to many people with the same IP, otherwise you would have only your chars on your IP. Registering is a good idea (with different addresses and acc names). On your botting chars I would avoid crowded spawns (reports), avoid bugged scripts, and mainly do your own well made scripts, like Wesker's some time ago released (http://forums.xenobot.net/showthread.php?27252-Wesker-Scripts&p=343143&viewfull=1#post343143).

By well made scripts I mean scripts that it doesn't look too obvious you are botting, with random paths and waypoints. For example, most scripts that go to Oramond's Depot go down always in the same stair SQM. What's the chance a normal player would do that, if there are 4 possible way of going down depot? So you could do a random waypoint that could choose any of the 4 SQM. I also add a random pause simulating a bathroom go when possible, after 30-40 minutes of hunt, moving the character to a safe random spot and waiting there with everything from the bot OFF, but I don't know whether this is necessary.

The only thing I've found by now that may explain those random deletions by players who always plays safe (not erasing stamina, getting reported a lot, etc) is the paper Wesker pointed out some time ago: http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

I'm experimenting with it right now, with my main char, 3 months botting already (windbot, I don't have Xeno right now), and I gave a script to a friend, if any of us or someone who do this method gets a ban so the theory may not be perfect.

[shadowart]

I believe you should put your bot chars in one PC, and your main non-botted char on other PC. If you use a proxy service that's better in my opinion due to many people with the same IP, otherwise you would have only your chars on your IP. Registering is a good idea (with different addresses and acc names). On your botting chars I would avoid crowded spawns (reports), avoid bugged scripts, and mainly do your own well made scripts, like Wesker's some time ago released (http://forums.xenobot.net/showthread.php?27252-Wesker-Scripts&p=343143&viewfull=1#post343143).

By well made scripts I mean scripts that it doesn't look too obvious you are botting, with random paths and waypoints. For example, most scripts that go to Oramond's Depot go down always in the same stair SQM. What's the chance a normal player would do that, if there are 4 possible way of going down depot? So you could do a random waypoint that could choose any of the 4 SQM. I also add a random pause simulating a bathroom go when possible, after 30-40 minutes of hunt, moving the character to a safe random spot and waiting there with everything from the bot OFF, but I don't know whether this is necessary.

The only thing I've found by now that may explain those random deletions by players who always plays safe (not erasing stamina, getting reported a lot, etc) is the paper Wesker pointed out some time ago: http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

I'm experimenting with it right now, with my main char, 3 months botting already (windbot, I don't have Xeno right now), and I gave a script to a friend, if any of us or someone who do this method gets a ban so the theory may not be perfect.
More data on whether randomized waypoints helps would be really cool. Those scripts take a little longer to make and it would be nice knowing whether its worth it.

[Jesseh]

More data on whether randomized waypoints helps would be really cool. Those scripts take a little longer to make and it would be nice knowing whether its worth it.

Yes, sure, I don't know if my main acc get deleted if the theory would be definitive or not, because I used standard waypoints before and I still use the same blessing script (even though I think it won't matter because it's only 1 run), but my friend never did anything with bot other than run my randomized script.

I think the extra little time may be worth it even if we don't know yet if it helps or not. On wind I did a Demons Oramond script with random paths in about 2 hours, reusing only a few actions/LUA scripts. I think, from what I saw in Wesker's scripts, that in Xeno it wouldn't be much different.

If someone has the time/energy to do more characters with randomized scripts it would be really nice to have collect the info on deletion methods.

[shadowart]

Yes, sure, I don't know if my main acc get deleted if the theory would be definitive or not, because I used standard waypoints before and I still use the same blessing script (even though I think it won't matter because it's only 1 run), but my friend never did anything with bot other than run my randomized script.

I think the extra little time may be worth it even if we don't know yet if it helps or not. On wind I did a Demons Oramond script with random paths in about 2 hours, reusing only a few actions/LUA scripts. I think, from what I saw in Wesker's scripts, that in Xeno it wouldn't be much different.

If someone has the time/energy to do more characters with randomized scripts it would be really nice to have collect the info on deletion methods.
Its not that hard in Xeno either. There are even simpler methods than the one Wesker used. The annoying part is laying those extra waypoints ;) There's also a bunch of other stuff that needs to be randomized. Maybe I should make a new facc knight and bot it till deletera in low key places using a fully randomized script and see how it goes.

[Jesseh]

Its not that hard in Xeno either. There are even simpler methods than the one Wesker used. The annoying part is laying those extra waypoints ;) There's also a bunch of other stuff that needs to be randomized. Maybe I should make a new facc knight and bot it till deletera in low key places using a fully randomized script and see how it goes.

It's a nice idea!

On simpler randomizing methods, I use basically before multiple paths a waypoint with gotolabel(math.random1,2) or something, I don't know if there is any better method, but I think that it's possible to make an easier method that automatize the script.

[LuckyStrike]

i was retired for 2 years?? anything changed about heal-bot? is it alone detectable??

[Jesseh]

i was retired for 2 years?? anything changed about heal-bot? is it alone detectable??

I`ve used for some time the software Blackd Safe Cheats for healing only. As far as I know nobody ever got deleted by using only that program. I think there was some report about being deleted by using Xeno/Wind only to heal but we don't know if it's for real, maybe there were reports against fast healing or there was botting in the past.

[sausting]

I didnt see any randomizing options, so I don't see how blackd's healbot could be any safer (less bot like) than xeno's

[Menbro]

I doubt your IP address has anything to do with the deletions. Think about the people who play from internet cafe's & or friends houses.

[Jesseh]

I didnt see any randomizing options, so I don't see how blackd's healbot could be any safer (less bot like) than xeno's

It`s as randomized as other bot`s, you can choose the delay to start healing and also choose a % to randomize over it. The bot only press keys, nothing more, and if your client isn`t focused for example the bot won`t do anything. I don`t know whether this is 100% safe but there were no complaints so far.

[sausting]

I doubt your IP address has anything to do with the deletions. Think about the people who play from internet cafe's & or friends houses.

I doubt you have very much experience with deletions.

[Stolf]

I doubt you have very much experience with deletions.

How is that? I think he's got a valid point, does he not?

Also, I'm veeeeeery tempted to bot 24/7, but on 3 different accounts, keep them rolling you know. Keep them on a lapse.
But I'm too afraid because a few of my FACCs has been deleted as well (I abused MC a lot, 4-6 accs day in and out) Luckily my highest (193) hasn't been deleted (yet).

[shadowart]

How is that? I think he's got a valid point, does he not?
They're not going to delete you just because you have the same ip as a botter, but they'll probably investigate you further. My hypothesis is that CIP has pretty good server sided heuristics for detecting botters that will catch many scripts, but to reduce costs they'll only run them if they're already suspicious of you. Things that catch their suspicion probably include mass reports and sharing ip, hardware id or email will a previous offender. Or at the very least the latter likely reduce the number of reports needed to trigger an investigation. They might also have some realtime heuristics for catching people like gold spammers and people who stand in the middle of nowhere saying repeatedly saying "hi" for several hours, but aint very relevant for us. Of course, this is only a hypothesis.

[sausting]

How is that? I think he's got a valid point, does he not?

Also, I'm veeeeeery tempted to bot 24/7, but on 3 different accounts, keep them rolling you know. Keep them on a lapse.
But I'm too afraid because a few of my FACCs has been deleted as well (I abused MC a lot, 4-6 accs day in and out) Luckily my highest (193) hasn't been deleted (yet).

Because when you get 60+ accounts deleted you start to see connections beyond simply what script you used. The tibia client sends out your IP address as well as the serial of your graphics card when you log in, the net cafe point is moooooooooooot.

[Menbro]

I doubt you have very much experience with deletions.

Unfortunately incorrect. I've worked on a free account Knight farm for the past 2 years, I've taken a few hits

[Stolf]

Unfortunately incorrect. I've worked on a free account Knight farm for the past 2 years, I've taken a few hits

Would you like to share some of your thoughts and speculations you've come up with so far? I'd be interested in hearing you out, no doubt!

Happy Easter

[LuckyStrike]

They're not going to delete you just because you have the same ip as a botter, but they'll probably investigate you further. My hypothesis is that CIP has pretty good server sided heuristics for detecting botters that will catch many scripts, but to reduce costs they'll only run them if they're already suspicious of you. Things that catch their suspicion probably include mass reports and sharing ip, hardware id or email will a previous offender. Or at the very least the latter likely reduce the number of reports needed to trigger an investigation. They might also have some realtime heuristics for catching people like gold spammers and people who stand in the middle of nowhere saying repeatedly saying "hi" for several hours, but aint very relevant for us. Of course, this is only a hypothesis.

So you think i can start using bot just for healing without worries about ban?:P and yes i know everybody can be banned when using bot

[musket333]

Because when you get 60+ accounts deleted you start to see connections beyond simply what script you used. The tibia client sends out your IP address as well as the serial of your graphics card when you log in, the net cafe point is moooooooooooot.

So you should sell your GPU if you get banned and avoid buying second hand ones just in case?

What I'm trying to say is, do you have any proof of this claim?

[sausting]

So you should sell your GPU if you get banned and avoid buying second hand ones just in case?

What I'm trying to say is, do you have any proof of this claim?
http://tpforums.org/forum/threads/6188-Concerning-the-new-login-packet-of-update-10-61-Bot-detection

[Username0615]

Hey guys,

Just got deleted the other day for the first time. The "reason?" I think was all my money transfers and
parcels in-between two knights on the same account every two days for about 1-2 weeks. (Speculations ofc).

I still feel the urge to play/bot tibia, so I was thinking of obtaining another PC, a second one.
The idea behind this is to bot 3-6 faccs (moneymakers) with Xenobot (got lifetime) or Windbot, AND 1-2 paccs, whilst
playing manually on my main computer.

I will create a new account on my main PC, never ever use the bot nor MC on that account. The only connection I ever will have with
the botted accounts is money-dropping or money-transferring. I will buy a house in Venore and money-launder like a mafia boss, if that's what it takes.

Am I still going to be in the "risk-zone" with my manual account (Same network, same IP, accused of MC?)

Would like to hear your thoughts and ideas if you got any to share!
Or if some of you have great success stories botting, reaching 250+ and how you did it, multiple characters on the same account etc!

I have multiple computers, I used them a VPN on my spare computer and botted 2-3 knights up to 150 on them and played with my normal account on my main computer manually. Never botted it I care about it way too much.