A suspicious deletion and concerns about the safety of Xenobot.

[ronay]

As the title says,today it happened again and i found one of the characters that i keep deleted in the middle of the day,even though i was sitting in front of computer and keeping an eye on the character quite often.

I had 2 main characters held in the same account which is deleted today,137 RP and 97 EK. I never botted those characters maniacally,like consuming up one's stamina and switching to other one and keep up with that botting routine all the time. Character's online and hunting stats were averagely the same as a regular player.

Following reasons made this situation a little bit suspicious in my perspective;

1. Always botted different places
2. Never AFK for i considered my RP as my beloved sweetheart)
3. Mass Report? Low probability
4. Utilized well-written scripts bought from well-known scripters.
5. Participated in team hunts, events took place in game,made hunts manually.
6. No MC used, I played this account on a seperate PC.
7. CM paid a visit and caught me botting? The place is almost non-visited. I always replied PMs

The other account which was deleted about 5 days ago held a master sorcerer and a 127 EK within. Well,i've nothing to say or plead about this account's situtation since i botted both characters recklessly here and there.

1. Mass report ? Probability is very high.
2. AFK most of the time
3. Botted 2 different places all the time.

Well i don't want to sound like a child with a mouth full of shit but these incidents got me thinking to switch from Xenobot to Windbot for i've concerns about Xenobot's credibility in terms of safety.

Of course, nobody is forcing me to use Xenobot. It is my personal decision like everyone else. I'm conscious about the risks and accepted the consequences before i purchased the program. But receiving some suspicious deletions,as i mentioıned earlier, made me question the safety of the program. Plus, most of my friends and people,who are in the same guild as i'm,claimed that Windbot is less detectable. Some of them said that they tried Xenobot before and some not. The majority of windbot user's have been safe through all these mass ban waves,on the order hand people who used Xenobot suffered from this waves but only a small group of people managed to survive. This is the moment when i decided to switch to Windbot.

@ DarkStar may consider this as a constructive criticism since i'm not the type of person who wants to stir up things. Like the rest of the community, my account's safety is my first priority and at this point,i find my self rightful to give such decisions.

Regards.

[Apoc]

First post?

[ronay]

First post?

ıs that so important?

[sausting]

it is considering it looks like you have only been using the bot since march 2015. That is hardly a long enough sample period. You do not mention what scripts you did you.

Also point 1 and point 7 contradict each other.

Your only evidence in anecdotal. (my friends no deletedsss)

There are plenty of xeno users that don't get deleted. (more anecdotes)

Nobody knows how the detection system work - those who claim otherwise are trying to sell you something.

[ronay]

it is considering it looks like you have only been using the bot since march 2015. That is hardly a long enough sample period. You do not mention what scripts you did you.

Also point 1 and point 7 contradict each other.

Your only evidence in anecdotal. (my friends no deletedsss)

There are plenty of xeno users that don't get deleted. (more anecdotes)

Nobody knows how the detection system work - those who claim otherwise are trying to sell you something.

Ah, I was talking about the hunting ground where i botted for the last time before i received deletion which occured today.

+ I don't think that those people are trying to sell or advertise something to me. I'm just comparing the numbers,that's all. Crystal Gardens,Okolnir,various places at Goroma are some of the specific places that i often botted and those places are not crowded at all,almost forgotten.

[Y2Quakepc2]

Do you mind telling us the name of your characters?

[Jesseh]

Used random waypoints? I don't have Xeno myself, only Windbot, but so far didn`t got any delete using only 1 acc with random waypoints (manual made, well written).

[Fatality]

Used random waypoints? I don't have Xeno myself, only Windbot, but so far didn`t got any delete using only 1 acc with random waypoints (manual made, well written).
Your 1 acc got deleted cause windbot is retarded and skips waypoints if it is on the wrong floor, etc so you were probably trying to buy potions in the middle of spawn or something else retarded like that.

[shadowart]

@ DarkStar may consider this as a constructive criticism since i'm not the type of person who wants to stir up things.
Funny. You didn't give any constructive criticism at all. In fact, the only thing you're doing is stirring up things.

I also don't see what's so suspicious about your deletion. You even admit to botting the same places over and over, totally afk, probably getting mass reported. CIP are very good at finding out when several accounts have a common owner. If you get caught on one account there's a very good chance that they'll get your other accounts as well, even if you don't bot on them.

[ronay]

Funny. You didn't give any constructive criticism at all. In fact, the only thing you're doing is stirring up things.

It may seem like a complain rather than a criticism to you because you didn't get the point which i wanted to put out. I cannot talk precisely for i'm not knowledged about programming but produce theories to explain the situation which occurred to me so I cannot say this or that feature of Xenobot makes it detectable. Even the creators of the program cannot speak precisely so do not expect me to speak like an expert. It is my personal decision as i posted earlier. I'm not draggin anyone forcely behind me like 'you should come with me and purchase Windbot,screw Xenobot' etc.

And when it comes to the message, all i wanted to say is that xenobot users get deleted more often rather than Windbot according to the information i obtained from my friends (I asked almost 70~ people). It may not be accurate but is enough to comfort myself. I don't know what is going to happen when i switch to Windbot and start using it.

Actually, to proove this claim both creators or the moderators of both forums should come together and start a common poll. To determine,the following questions should be asked to players;

1. How many people uses Windbot and Xenobot?
2. How many people got deleted and what bot program did they use?

[GammaPwns]

Ehh.

I've been using Xenobot since 2012 - until now with some tibia breaks, and in that time, i only got banned once on 1 Account, but the only reason that account got banned , was the nickname (Xeno User).
My other accounts are still safe.
I've been using scripts from Josh, Solid, and back in the days some scripts from Infernal and Neant, and sometimes even Free Scripts.

Some of my accs were botted down to 15h Stamina, -> back to full and then again down to 15...


I believe it's abit of being unlucky,Gm's, reports...using bad configurated scripts, (Spamming Hi, spells you dont have etc...) and / or using other bots aswell.


For me Xeno is as safe as a tibiabot can be. You won't find a safer bot.

[sausting]

I'm not draggin anyone forcely behind me like 'you should come with me and purchase Windbot,screw Xenobot' etc.


this was the first red flag that set me off then what you included in your next paragraph has me assured, you are indeed trying to stir things up.

If this is not the case, can you explain why you do not want to reveal the names of your deleted characters ? Rosse did ask and you ignored...

[Luls]

. The majority of windbot user's have been safe through all these mass ban waves,on the order hand people who used Xenobot suffered from this waves but only a small group of people managed to survive.


all i wanted to say is that xenobot users get deleted more often rather than Windbot


I've used Xenobot since the end of 2009/early 2010, or whenever the BETA of Xenobot was originally released. That's 5 years, give or take some time off for breaks from the game and shit like that.

Guess how many accounts I've had deleted in 5 years. Two. Two accounts in 5 years. Both of those accounts sat in an extremely popular spawns completely afk (while I was at work, which means I was AFK for 10~11 hours at a time). One account sat in yalahar dragons from level 100~ to level 140, and then from level 140 - 180 it sat completely afk in LB wyrms botting both floors.

The other account sat in Dara dragons from level 40-90 completely afk until it was deleted.


So, I botted like that over the course of 5 years and lost 2 accounts. You botted in what you call a "safe" way, and lost 2 accounts in a week? Then you want to say that WindBot has people getting deleted less than Xeno? Funny stuff, because I've always heard the exact opposite, from way more than "70" people.


Don't come around here trying to cause drama. If you really did lose your accounts, I feel for you. It sucks, I know. But it happens. Don't blame the bot you were using. The only thing you have to blame is yourself.

[Dyhstoriier]

I've used Xenobot since the end of 2009/early 2010, or whenever the BETA of Xenobot was originally released. That's 5 years, give or take some time off for breaks from the game and shit like that.

Guess how many accounts I've had deleted in 5 years. Two. Two accounts in 5 years. Both of those accounts sat in an extremely popular spawns completely afk (while I was at work, which means I was AFK for 10~11 hours at a time). One account sat in yalahar dragons from level 100~ to level 140, and then from level 140 - 180 it sat completely afk in LB wyrms botting both floors.

The other account sat in Dara dragons from level 40-90 completely afk until it was deleted.


So, I botted like that over the course of 5 years and lost 2 accounts. You botted in what you call a "safe" way, and lost 2 accounts in a week? Then you want to say that WindBot has people getting deleted less than Xeno? Funny stuff, because I've always heard the exact opposite, from way more than "70" people.




Don't come around here trying to cause drama. If you really did lose your accounts, I feel for you. It sucks, I know. But it happens. Don't blame the bot you were using. The only thing you have to blame is yourself.



You are the men, well explained and answered 👌 ive been using scripts from SOLID for two years and never got caught (hope. That day dont come)

[xdanzigx]

Ah, I was talking about the hunting ground where i botted for the last time before i received deletion which occured today.

+ I don't think that those people are trying to sell or advertise something to me. I'm just comparing the numbers,that's all. Crystal Gardens,Okolnir,various places at Goroma are some of the specific places that i often botted and those places are not crowded at all,almost forgotten.

Yeah your comparing the numbers to a small ass sample size(you) to everyone that has ever used the bot. It's no lie that people are banned using all kinds of different bots. Do you seriously believe that Windbot is any different? Go look at their forums people complain of being deleted almost everyday.

Furthermore those accounts were pre 200 yes it sucks and stings they were deleted but with any knowledge of tibia and what scripts to use you could have a new account right back at those levels in 2 weeks.

[ronay]

Yeah your comparing the numbers to a small ass sample size(you) to everyone that has ever used the bot. It's no lie that people are banned using all kinds of different bots. Do you seriously believe that Windbot is any different? Go look at their forums people complain of being deleted almost everyday.

Are you guys blind or my words are blurry so you cannot read well? Take it this way, you're going to buy something or upgrade it because you're not content with product that you're using currently.So,you make a comparision between the two and choose either to keep the former one or switch to the latter.

As a conclusion of the reviews,opinions etc. gathered from a small group of people affected my mind to make such a decision.

[ronay]

this was the first red flag that set me off then what you included in your next paragraph has me assured, you are indeed trying to stir things up.

If this is not the case, can you explain why you do not want to reveal the names of your deleted characters ? Rosse did ask and you ignored...

Rather than ignoring the comment, i simply did not notice it cause it was a late night time.

Dostum,137 RP - I'm not going to reveal the other character's name for some reasons.
Targon Jabis,127 EK - Okamaway 103 MS

[ronay]

Don't come around here trying to cause drama. If you really did lose your accounts, I feel for you. It sucks, I know. But it happens. Don't blame the bot you were using. The only thing you have to blame is yourself.

You're talking like priests from 16-17th century. Here is a story that i'm going to tale ya! One day,in a city,citizens suffer from natural disasters,famine,disesases and other incidents. They didn't know what to do and consulted one of the prophets in the city to tell what or who may have caused this. An awkward answer comes from the priest and says 'You have not prayed to God enough or did something bad to madden him' and blamed the citizens for possible sinful actions they might have done in the past or in the recent time.Hearing the priest's prophecy, one of the citizens springs to his feet and says 'Whos that infidel?'

See? ıt has nothing to do with God or the citizens. The priest had not knowledged to speak like a scientist and lied to people. As a result, you should not speak so precisely about the situation and blame it all on me.

[svennn]

You're talking like priests from 16-17th century. Here is a story that i'm going to tale ya! One day,in a city,citizens suffer from natural disasters,famine,disesases and other incidents. They didn't know what to do and consulted one of the prophets in the city to tell what or who may have caused this. An awkward answer comes from the priest and says 'You have not prayed to God enough or did something bad to madden him' and blamed the citizens for possible sinful actions they might have done in the past or in the recent time.Hearing the priest's prophecy, one of the citizens springs to his feet and says 'Whos that infidel?'

See? ıt has nothing to do with God or the citizens. The priest had not knowledged to speak like a scientist and lied to people. As a result, you should not speak so precisely about the situation and blame it all on me.

No bot is safe. Neither Xenobot nor Windbot. You're saying that more Xenobot users are getting banned, but have no statistics to back it up. Even if it may seem like more Xenobot users are getting banned, it's possible that the Xenobot users are just more vocal. There's honestly no need to even make a thread like this. There's no constructive criticism, just complaining about how Xenobot users get banned more often, with no statistics to back up your statements. Go ahead and switch over to Windbot. You'll be banned on those accounts too soon enough :).

[ronay]

No bot is safe. Neither Xenobot nor Windbot. You're saying that more Xenobot users are getting banned, but have no statistics to back it up. Even if it may seem like more Xenobot users are getting banned, it's possible that the Xenobot users are just more vocal. There's honestly no need to even make a thread like this. There's no constructive criticism, just complaining about how Xenobot users get banned more often, with no statistics to back up your statements. Go ahead and switch over to Windbot. You'll be banned on those accounts too soon enough :).

Seriously,you guys are annoying cause all you want is controversy

[ronay]

No bot is safe. Neither Xenobot nor Windbot. You're saying that more Xenobot users are getting banned, but have no statistics to back it up. Even if it may seem like more Xenobot users are getting banned, it's possible that the Xenobot users are just more vocal. There's honestly no need to even make a thread like this. There's no constructive criticism, just complaining about how Xenobot users get banned more often, with no statistics to back up your statements. Go ahead and switch over to Windbot. You'll be banned on those accounts too soon enough :).

Seriously,you guys are annoying cause all you want is controversy

[sausting]

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[Proteus]

I agree, no bot is safe but here's my 2 cents:
I botted about 35 characters at a time. Always with Xenobot.
Never had any issues but saw that windbot had some great documentation for scripts!
So I converted all 35 characters to windbot. Within the first night, 29 were deleted.
So Xenobot 0 deletions, windbot 29 in the first day. It could be bad luck, but nonetheless, I'm back and staying with Xenobot, with no reason to swap back to windbot. Haven't had issues with deletions with leveling characters since I've come back.

[Syntax]

The grass is always greener.

[Fatality]

The grass is always greener.

+1 lol

[sausting]

Proteus LoL! sorry to laugh but surely it was long enough ago that its funny now...cause no doubt you regretted it at the time ! :P

[xdanzigx]

Are you guys blind or my words are blurry so you cannot read well? Take it this way, you're going to buy something or upgrade it because you're not content with product that you're using currently.So,you make a comparision between the two and choose either to keep the former one or switch to the latter.

As a conclusion of the reviews,opinions etc. gathered from a small group of people affected my mind to make such a decision.

Exactly that "SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE" is a SMALL ASS SAMPLE SIZE, you just helped to further prove my point. Now I am going to put my pitch fork up, but you should put down your "xenobot sucks windbot is better" picket sign. Were not interested in occupying wall street around here boy.

[Proteus]

Proteus LoL! sorry to laugh but surely it was long enough ago that its funny now...cause no doubt you regretted it at the time ! :P

Lmfaoo it was honestly funny at the time too! It wasn't too long lol about 3 weeks haha
But yeah I literally sat at my computer, said fuck windbot and never even thought about going back to it lmao

[DarkstaR]

Okay, so OP, this is directed at you.


1. You don't have an XB licence. If you're using a crack, be aware that I cannot ensure the safety of your account.
2. If you think WindBot is better, then move.
3. If we held an open forum about how many bans each bot gets, Xeno would be higher. Not because we get more bans, though; because moderators of other bot forums have been known to DELETE POSTS when users claim to be banned. Xeno allows anyone to say what they want.


Like was previously said, the grass is always greener. You're welcome back when you realize that it's only green cause it's covered in horse diarrhea.