End of xenobot paid scripts and all?

[softbzero]

Hey! DarkstaR you going to end all xenobot paid scripters? All scripts of the JX are now avaiable for free and nobody will or very little selling scripts.
It's good for you and JX scripters, but now i cant make enough cash for new licesne. It going to be XenobotDarkstarOnly?

[Syntax]

Hey! DarkstaR you going to end all xenobot paid scripters? All scripts of the JX are now avaiable for free and nobody will or very little selling scripts.
It's good for you and JX scripters, but now i cant make enough cash for new licesne. It going to be XenobotDarkstarOnly?

You can still develop and sell paid scripts.
I'd recommend making scripts for areas that aren't covered by official XenoBot scripts.
This is a step forward for the community, increasing the quality and quantity of free scripts available to new & existing users.

[softbzero]

Yes i know this. But if you( you as official scripter have best quality of scripts) realease 70%(now) of all your(JX SCRIPTS) for free nobody will buy me(low quality etc) and others scripts.
I do not have anything to anybody blame, but makes it difficult to significantly monetize their licenses by selling scripts. In fact I bought licenses for already money from the sale of my scripts because it allowed only those funds. Now I'll have an explicit license.

[DarkstaR]

Yes i know this. But if you( you as official scripter have best quality of scripts) realease 70%(now) of all your(JX SCRIPTS) for free nobody will buy me(low quality etc) and others scripts.
I do not have anything to anybody blame, but makes it difficult to significantly monetize their licenses by selling scripts. In fact I bought licenses for already money from the sale of my scripts because it allowed only those funds. Now I'll have an explicit license.

The code used by OX is open-source. You can always build your scripts on top of their system, which will make them much higher quality.

[PunktG]

you can always bot and pay in gp :)

[softbzero]

PunktG There is no solution of this problem. But i dont care, its good i now can make char 8 lvl , and bot it to 400 without paying :v.

What about xenobot crackers? They will to can download scripts?

[Syntax]

Yes i know this. But if you( you as official scripter have best quality of scripts) realease 70%(now) of all your(JX SCRIPTS) for free nobody will buy me(low quality etc) and others scripts.
I do not have anything to anybody blame, but makes it difficult to significantly monetize their licenses by selling scripts. In fact I bought licenses for already money from the sale of my scripts because it allowed only those funds. Now I'll have an explicit license.

I understand your concern. If you're mainly interested in paying for your license, you can download the official scripts (or use your own), bot, and pay for your license in gold through PunktG.
The amount of low quality scripts on the forum got us here in the first place.
As a customer of XenoBot you are entitled to a user experience. You can compete with the market, but it's competitive.
If you're good at what you do, people will buy your scripts, if you're not, they won't. Simple as that.

[softbzero]

DarkstaR
If you were to place an intelligent player who buys the script . You choose ' softbzero scripts ' even with the above -mentioned Codem or rather, the official scripts official scripters Xenobot?

The answer is already in question , unfortunately, the forum is forbidden to sell ots scripts , unfortunately, most of the subjects with pay scripts simply collapse.

[DarkstaR]

You have a few other options. You can make team scripts or pvp scripts since XenoBot won't be making them, or you can do as Cavitt said before and target locations that we don't support. I understand that it sucks for people in your situation, but we wanted to break the cycle of people endlessly spending money on scripts that they'll use for 10 or 20 levels.


We're the first bot to offer hundreds of scripts for free with purchase and that will cause some market disruption, but it's a change for the best in the long run.

[Norkk]

Hey! DarkstaR you going to end all xenobot paid scripters? All scripts of the JX are now avaiable for free and nobody will or very little selling scripts.
It's good for you and JX scripters, but now i cant make enough cash for new licesne. It going to be XenobotDarkstarOnly?

where u saw him giving free?

[Joshwa534]

where u saw him giving free?

Right-click your character in-game -> Settings -> Get Scripts

[Mexen]

How will this effect people who cheat to use the bot, e.g. Cracks etc?

I don't use cracks, I'm here because I like the community. I don't even play Tibia just fyi. (Since 1+ year)

I've been lurking on these forums for a while and enjoy the posts, screenshot threads and the direction of the bot - not just as a tool but as a company.

[DarkstaR]

How will this effect people who cheat to use the bot, e.g. Cracks etc?

I don't use cracks, I'm here because I like the community. I don't even play Tibia just fyi. (Since 1+ year)

I've been lurking on these forums for a while and enjoy the posts, screenshot threads and the direction of the bot - not just as a tool but as a company.

I'll be surprised if ZZNYSecure cracks it anytime soon, to be honest. From what I've seen, he's just a script kiddie who doesn't really know anything about software. He got lucky last time because I made a mistake, but now that that's gone, I think the cracks will be, too.

[Mexen]

I'll be surprised if ZZNYSecure cracks it anytime soon, to be honest. From what I've seen, he's just a script kiddie who doesn't really know anything about software. He got lucky last time because I made a mistake, but now that that's gone, I think the cracks will be, too.

This is what I like to hear. Well done.

[Tibiano]

Where can I find a list of that scripts?

[Nakuu]

Where can I find a list of that scripts?

Turn on Tibia, inject XenoBot and there will be a Get Scripts button on the top left or if you are already logged in you can find that button in Settings window (left bottom).

[Tibiano]

Turn on Tibia, inject XenoBot and there will be a Get Scripts button on the top left or if you are already logged in you can find that button in Settings window (left bottom).

Well I will not buy XB atm but Im interested to know how many scripts and which I'll have for the future :)

[Nakuu]

Well I will not buy XB atm but Im interested to know how many scripts and which I'll have for the future :)

http://forums.xenobot.net/forumdisplay.php?42

Just check vocation sub-forums. Each thread is separate script so it's some kind of the script's list :)

[shadowart]

http://forums.xenobot.net/forumdisplay.php?42

Just check vocation sub-forums. Each thread is separate script so it's some kind of the script's list :)
Is that forum even visible to non-subscribers?

[Nakuu]

Is that forum even visible to non-subscribers?

Can see it in incognito mode (as a guest) so seems like it.

[pepero]

I'll be surprised if ZZNYSecure cracks it anytime soon, to be honest. From what I've seen, he's just a script kiddie who doesn't really know anything about software. He got lucky last time because I made a mistake, but now that that's gone, I think the cracks will be, too.

lol, he was smart enough to get other versions cracked I guess, right?
And even if it's not him, everything is crackable. Still, not really worry about it either way. You got your business he got his.
What I am concerned about is the free scripts. I do not think that's going to help... you say it improves the quality of the overall scripts and thus of Xeno, but to be honest with you, I think they (OX scripts) are the ones who are getting the most out of this deal. A bad business decision from your part in my opinion.

[shadowart]

Well I will not buy XB atm but Im interested to know how many scripts and which I'll have for the future :)
Here's another full list:
https://github.com/OXGaming/oxscripts/tree/master/waypoints

[Tibiano]

Here's another full list:
https://github.com/OXGaming/oxscripts/tree/master/waypoints

Nice bro.

Thanks!

[sausting]

The code used by OX is open-source. You can always build your scripts on top of their system, which will make them much higher quality.

sooooooo cooooooooooool!

[DarkstaR]

lol, he was smart enough to get other versions cracked I guess, right?

Yup, he was. But, like I said, I made a mistake. It was a single op-code patch to crack them, I know 14 year olds who could find that. I haven't even improved the protection, I've just patched that single opcode, and now he's stuck. If he gets through it soon, he'll prove himself (or maybe not, a seasoned CTF player could do this in 2 hours). If not, he'll prove my point.



And even if it's not him, everything is crackable. Still, not really worry about it either way. You got your business he got his.

His business? How can you call what he does a business?


What I am concerned about is the free scripts. I do not think that's going to help... you say it improves the quality of the overall scripts and thus of Xeno, but to be honest with you, I think they (OX scripts) are the ones who are getting the most out of this deal. A bad business decision from your part in my opinion.

Time will tell if we're right or if you are. I think we are. Tibia's botting industry is stuck in a vicious cycle where people pay a little bit for a bot and a lot for some scripts. To me, that seems a bit dumb, doesn't it? If what we're doing works, it will be revolutionary. If it doesn't, we've failed. But I count on it working, and, frankly, I think I'm a bit more experienced in this industry than you.

[Hars]

Yup, he was. But, like I said, I made a mistake. It was a single op-code patch to crack them, I know 14 year olds who could find that. I haven't even improved the protection, I've just patched that single opcode, and now he's stuck. If he gets through it soon, he'll prove himself (or maybe not, a seasoned CTF player could do this in 2 hours). If not, he'll prove my point.

"Xenobot Binary crack is done, release wednesday!"

Hmm.. we will see. Not to fast for like you said "script kiddie who doesn't really know anything about software"? I dont know if its true but.

[DarkstaR]

"Xenobot Binary crack is done, release wednesday!"

Hmm.. we will see. Not to fast for like you said "script kiddie who doesn't really know anything about software"? I dont know if its true but.

When they release a crack, I'll believe they have a crack. Right now, nothing is confirmed. Maybe they have one. Maybe they're saying they have one because they're confident they will, but don't yet, and want users to be quiet. We don't know. Either way, 3 days to crack it is pretty long.

For all I know, it could be like the crack they had a year ago where you needed to ARPSpoof from an secondary device and use that device to emulate the verification server. If it's something like that, it's both worthless and easy, since they already know the protocol and arpspoofing is skiddyplay. If they're doing anything on the machine, though, I'll patch it and break it.

[Hars]

If Im not wrong ZZYNSecure dont use fake server before. I dont know anything about crack so. We will see, hope its not true.

[pepero]

But I count on it working, and, frankly, I think I'm a bit more experienced in this industry than you.
I liked the whole post until this part. Well written and you had to ruin it with the usual kiddie statement "I'm better than you". Not gonna start an argument on the internet, since they are kinda worthless, but I am just saying that monopolistic behaviors, which is what your move is by joining OX Scripts, usually don't help. You state this will help the community since everyone that wants to sell a script will have to do so with a way higher quality, I think you just ruined them... but let's hope you are right.

[softbzero]

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[DarkstaR]

I liked the whole post until this part. Well written and you had to ruin it with the usual kiddie statement "I'm better than you"..


I never said I'm better than you, maybe you should re-read.

[sausting]

You state this will help the community since everyone that wants to sell a script will have to do so with a way higher quality, I think you just ruined them... but let's hope you are right.

what about the customers who just want to use scripts ? are they not getting a huge benefit from this?

[raor]

The idea is pretty good, but... I see some threats there.

Imagine what would happen if most of the Xenobot community used same scripts conerning same waypoints, same bugs etc. Wouldn't it improve chances of being recognized as unfair player? Briefly: in my opinion, more people using same scripts = more tightly-packed data ready for classification.

However... most of paid scrips are poorly written (I won't point names). I wonder how users could just buy these scripts... From the user's point of view it is much better to use scrips that are prepared by someone who knows how to do that properly than total amateur.


Btw. DarkstaR, do you think you can improve walker a bit? No matter which waypoint is selected, Xenobot always picks up the most efficient way towards the goal. In most cases it ends walking next to the walls, roughly everytime. I assume that's not so much human-like behavior and it is something that potentialy distinguishes Xenobot users from others. I'd be able to secure that by adding more nodes but currently waypoint window doesn't support editing already added ones (moving to the top one of the nodes takes bunch of time).

I 've been working for some time on project concerning pattern-recognition algorithms. That's why I'm so curious about all these things - honestly, I don't know what kind of data Cipsoft is able to retrive.

[Luls]

Imagine what would happen if most of the Xenobot community used same scripts conerning same waypoints, same bugs etc.

You think that wasn't how it was before as well?

[nixez]

Yea actually it wasn't Luls
Don't you see how it's obvious that more than 80% of people will be using the same scripts?
That's not good in any way brother
I myself will always make my own badass scripts, in my point of view this is a call for deletera if i use same scripts as most xenobot users.

I hope you get my point

/Nixez

[DarkstaR]

Yea actually it wasn't @Luls (http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=5)
Don't you see how it's obvious that more than 80% of people will be using the same scripts?
That's not good in any way brother
I myself will always make my own badass scripts, in my point of view this is a call for deletera if i use same scripts as most xenobot users.

I hope you get my point

/Nixez

Good thing your view is not at all technically informed.

People shout "deletera deletera" when they really don't understand the algorithms that are used to put people there.

[nixez]

Well,Woops Didn't think that i would get your attention,sure you are DarkStar (Praise the Lord)
Okai let's get to the point
Yes it's not technically informed at all, But I do really understand the algorithms that put people there and i've been working my ass off avoiding it, didn't get a single ban for 1 year straight following my own rules.
So in a technical Side of view don't you think that XX people In many worlds move on the same waypoints, Heals in an set array loots in the same way and all that shit,
LongShort
I see that those things can be easily extracted By cipsoft to help detecting botters, as includes above reasons but not limited to it ofc.
What do you think DarkstaR
Good thing your view is not at all technically informed.

People shout "deletera deletera" when they really don't understand the algorithms that are used to put people there.

[DarkstaR]

If you think you understand the algorithms, you're an overconfident fool.

All of the detection is server-side, and nobody has been able to prove how it works. The only research done shows that there's in-fact ZERO hueristics, but, instead, hard-coded patterns; but even such research is inconclusive. If you have ANY information beyond what I've jsut given you, then you either have seen their source code or you're a mystical black-box research savant who must have lost tens of thousands of characters to prove the statistical significance of your research. But you're not.

[nixez]

Yea sure you have reviewed cip's client everytime and no calls for winSock that you can't identify.
so yea must be server sided detection

anyway thanks for the talking ^^
And yes ofc idk much as you do DarkstaR

[DarkstaR]

Well actually I do monitor winsock and I do have alerts in there for calls on a socket that isn't the main game/login socket, plus I have alerts for unknown packet types... So unless they rolled their own socket library or are using some crazy anti-hooking (hint: they're not, I would see it), then your statement is correct, yes.

Besides that, it's easy to see that there's no client sided detection, at least in the technical sense. They've added some small protections (XOR'd memory) and stuff like target incrementing and sending it over packets, which broke/detected old bots like NG, but my bot is specifically designed to evade such tactics. Since I do intense diffing / analysis on each and every client, I can also ensure there's been no extra detection code added. Is there a possibility that I missed something? Of course. But until somebody proves that, I'll stand my ground.

I don't think you can say the same about their server code, now can you? Actually, server-side detection can be proven to exist. We can't prove how it works, but we can easily prove it exists.

[nixez]

DarkstaR
glad to speak with you actually, first time since the very beginning
'alpha stage when you were handing out LT licenses'
i actually do have something to confess after all this yearrs and i guess you've already thought about it.

Hint: Hate being a non subscriber =/

[SolitaryPal]

I don't understand people who claim to know as much or even more then DarkstaR does about botting - if that was the case clearly you'd be using your own amazing botting software instead of his.

Keep up the great work!

[nixez]

I don't understand people who claim to know as much or even more then DarkstaR does about botting - if that was the case clearly you'd be using your own amazing botting software instead of his.

Keep up the great work!



And yes ofc idk much as you do DarkstaR



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[Luls]

Yea actually it wasn't Luls
Don't you see how it's obvious that more than 80% of people will be using the same scripts?
That's not good in any way brother

So what do you think was happening when a large amount of people were using the same JXScripts, or SolidScripts? Or back when NeoBot was in it's prime and if you weren't using a BUg script, you weren't botting properly?




But I do really understand the algorithms that put people there and i've been working my ass off avoiding it, didn't get a single ban for 1 year straight following my own rules.


I've never followed any botting "rules", and I've had 2 accounts get deleted on me since 2002, and I've never gotten any deletion warnings before there were instant deletions, either.

[nixez]

When Neo Was in it's primes 'Cip's detections wasn't harsh as it's now and we all know that,don't you?
Never botted with a bugged script, i can get all of them fixed the way i want [i have experience] which you prolly lake so You just stick with 1st market scripters.


So what do you think was happening when a large amount of people were using the same JXScripts, or SolidScripts? Or back when NeoBot was in it's prime and if you weren't using a BUg script, you weren't botting properly?






I've never followed any botting "rules", and I've had 2 accounts get deleted on me since 2002, and I've never gotten any deletion warnings before there were instant deletions, either.

[Elvang]

When Neo Was in it's primes 'Cip's detections wasn't harsh as it's now and we all know that,don't you?
Never botted with a bugged script, i can get all of them fixed the way i want [i have experience] which you prolly lake so You just stick with 1st market scripters.

That was the name of the script maker you fool 'bug'

[nixez]

i FOol o.0
it was confusing how would i know -.-

That was the name of the script maker you fool 'bug'

[Gudshand]

^ mate, everyone who has been/are a botter know(should know atleast) who BUg is :D