Let's Talk About 11.0

[DarkstaR]

Today, Cipsoft finally released a BETA of their new client (http://www.tibia.com/news/?subtopic=newsarchive&id=3547&fbegind=20&fbeginm=3&fbeginy=2016&fendd=19&fendm=4&fendy=2016&flist=11111111). We've known this day was coming for almost three years, (https://secure.tibia.com/news/?subtopic=newsarchive&id=2614) and that gave me a sufficient amount of time to plan for the impending doom of XenoBot.

Let me repeat myself: the impending doom of XenoBot.

However, it's not just XenoBot. This will be the doom of WindBot, MageBot, iBot, and every other bot. This isn't an update in the way most people think of them; it's completely new architecture. Every memory value, function signature, data structure, and little chunk of assembly code is different. This means that every bot will have to undergo a major overhaul, which can amount to thousands of hours of work, in order to function with the new client. In some cases, such as with XenoBot and likely others, it's safe to say that writing a completely new bot will actually prove easier than adapting the existing bot to the new client.

However, this isn't the end. There's a few ways the release of the client can play out:


The classic client stays around for a year or more while testing is done and bugs are ironed out of the new client.
Cipsoft pulls the trigger and kills the classic client within a few months and makes the move to the new client mandatory,


Here's how each scenario will play out from the perspective of the bot community:

Everything stays how it is, and bots keep updating for the classic client. In parallel, bot developers work on new bots for the new client, and plan to release them when the old client is dead.
We're left without bots for a while while bot developers work on new bots for the new client.


Clearly, the first scenario is what we want to happen. Either way, though, here's what you can expect from XenoBot:

I will continue to update, improve, and support the bot until the classic client breathes it's dying breath.
Once the classic client is dead, XenoBot will live on and be supported in the world of OT servers for years to come.
When the day comes that the demand for XenoBot is too low to for me to keep up maintenance, I'll:

Create a stand-alone version of the bot that can be used by anyone, anywhere, for free.
Release the source code to the bot so that the public can learn from the code and, in some cases, ridicule the terrible coding decisions I've made.
Take the forums offline and leave up a minimalist website with download, usage, and compilation instructions.


I don't see the above happening for a few more years, though, so rest assured we'll be around for a while.


Now, depending on how everything plays out and how insurmountable of a bitch the new client is, I may or may not be making a new bot for Tibia. At this point in time, I honestly am not sure. But, if I did, it wouldn't be XenoBot. It would be a fresh new bot that takes into account all of the learning and growing I've done over the 8 years that I've spent on XenoBot. If and when that day comes, I'll make sure everyone knows about it. But, right now, with no clue how everything will play out, what I'll be doing in life when the classic client dies, or how much demand there will be for a new bot, I really cannot give a definitive answer.

No matter how the next few months or years unfold, there's one thing I can say with certainty: it's been a pleasure. I started this bot when I was 15, and I made it for fun. It was my first project in C++. Over the years, you guys, the community, turned it into the monster it is today. You've pushed me to better myself and my software, to try new things, and to write code I never dreamed I could in the past. Turning this hobby into a business took me from a homeless high-school dropout living in a car to a successful C++ engineer with a bright career, a nearly published book, and a whole hell of a lot more experience than I'd have gotten otherwise. You're my customers, but you're also my friends and my fellow Tibians, and I wouldn't have gotten here without you. My life was made forever different by your support, and I thank you. Stick around and let's see how we can weather this storm together.

//DarkstaR

[Fatality]

Regardless of what happens, XenoBot will always be the best bot in my eyes. I think a lot of people can relate to this.

[krille09]

Second <.<

[draadloos]

o.0 nice speech

[dillek]

:O hmmmm

[viser14]

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[eldera]

XenoBot best bot evah <3

[Pidek098]

;( so sad story! :D but yeah no one can say anything more till it wont be released.

[Basiq]

Even if people start creating new bots for the new client when it comes out, No matter what, XenoBot will always remain the best bot ever created :P

[draadloos]

Even if people start creating new bots for the new client when it comes out, No matter what, XenoBot will always remain the best bot ever created :P

agreed. atleast in my hart

[Merre]

Was a really interesting read, it's going to be fun to watch all the manual players crying of happines the days/weeks/months there wont be a bot for us to use.

Just got one silly question, Have you ever thought about collaborating with Lucas? - IF you decide to make a new bot for their new client

[auto]

well this is fucking grim

[eldera]

Was a really interesting read, it's going to be fun to watch all the manual players crying of happines the days/weeks/months there wont be a bot for us to use.

Just got one silly question, Have you ever thought about collaborating with Lucas? - IF you decide to make a new bot for their new client

XDDDDDDD

[iMike]

I just lost my manhood while reading this post, I'll go punch some walls to try to recover it, brb.
#Goosebumps

[magician92]

WELP :/

[BlueIsNotRed]

This aint the death of bots in Tibia. Cipsoft tries to fight the hydra without knowing or even thinking about that if they slay 1 head, 2 new will grow.

[texmex47]

Nick, your bot is the only bot that I have NOT been deleted by.
I've been botting since TibiaBot NG was around and I've been deleted at least once using every other bot.
I used Xenobot for years. But recently retired from Tibia a bit due to studies etc.

But let me tell you this. You have gained so much more knowledge throughout the years. If you ever decided to create a new bot, it would be at least twice as good, I can guarantee that.
I've seen your old bots and how you developed. And everytime you made something new, you made it even better. Please, don't quit making bots - even if parts of the community will leave due to the new client.

I am certain that only you and Lucas Terra (and a few others, like the moderators on xeno forums) knows how to make bots for the new client.
iBot, redbot, neutralbot, and all those shitty bots, they dont know how to make things from scratch. They used TibiaAPI for so much shit it is insane.

They would be OUT OF BUSINESS.
And I am not even sure if Lucas Terra has the time to develop a new bot.

That means, your bot would become the biggest on the market. And you would probably earn more.
Maybe a few hundred leave xenobot. But all other botters, from ibot, and more.... would move on to here. I can guarantee that.

I will stick around and keep buying xenobot after summer and continue botting. And I will continue to support your work for as long as you are around.

Nick, this might be your chance to seriously take over the whole botting community in tibia.
you'd gain thousands of customers if you can make a new bot for the new client.

DarkstaR

[Basiq]

Nick, your bot is the only bot that I have NOT been deleted by.
I've been botting since TibiaBot NG was around and I've been deleted at least once using every other bot.
I used Xenobot for years. But recently retired from Tibia a bit due to studies etc.

But let me tell you this. You have gained so much more knowledge throughout the years. If you ever decided to create a new bot, it would be at least twice as good, I can guarantee that.
I've seen your old bots and how you developed. And everytime you made something new, you made it even better. Please, don't quit making bots - even if parts of the community will leave due to the new client.

I am certain that only you and Lucas Terra (and a few others, like the moderators on xeno forums) knows how to make bots for the new client.
iBot, redbot, neutralbot, and all those shitty bots, they dont know how to make things from scratch. They used TibiaAPI for so much shit it is insane.

They would be OUT OF BUSINESS.
And I am not even sure if Lucas Terra has the time to develop a new bot.

That means, your bot would become the biggest on the market. And you would probably earn more.
Maybe a few hundred leave xenobot. But all other botters, from ibot, and more.... would move on to here. I can guarantee that.

I will stick around and keep buying xenobot after summer and continue botting. And I will continue to support your work for as long as you are around.

Nick, this might be your chance to seriously take over the whole botting community in tibia.
you'd gain thousands of customers if you can make a new bot for the new client.

DarkstaR

Yea.. The first person to create a decent bot for the new client will be one rich motherfu*ker.

[Y2Quakepc2]

Here comes the race again folks...

Such as when neobot was taken down, there's going to be another race, and i think i can even predict what will happen.

[eldera]

Here comes the race again folks...

Such as when neobot was taken down, there's going to be another race, and i think i can even predict what will happen.

Illuminati?

[Y2Quakepc2]

Illuminati?

http://www.diezcuriosidades.com/wp-content/uploads/images/5k_YpUmf-nc_s1600_nostradamus2.jpg

[Raphael]

Yea.. The first person to create a decent bot for the new client will be one rich motherfu*ker.

The first one doesn't really matter. Take the scenario after the decay of Neobot, for instance: right after it went out, both RedBot and XenoBot were already arround, but it was iBot, released quite a while later, that dominated the market until WindBot, which came over an year later, took its position. Of course, you do have some lead by being the first one but it's not that much.

[Lilithwins]

Today, Cipsoft finally released a BETA of their new client (http://www.tibia.com/news/?subtopic=newsarchive&id=3547&fbegind=20&fbeginm=3&fbeginy=2016&fendd=19&fendm=4&fendy=2016&flist=11111111). We've known this day was coming for almost three years, (https://secure.tibia.com/news/?subtopic=newsarchive&id=2614) and that gave me a sufficient amount of time to plan for the impending doom of XenoBot.

Let me repeat myself: the impending doom of XenoBot.

However, it's not just XenoBot. This will be the doom of WindBot, MageBot, iBot, and every other bot. This isn't an update in the way most people think of them; it's completely new architecture. Every memory value, function signature, data structure, and little chunk of assembly code is different. This means that every bot will have to undergo a major overhaul, which can amount to thousands of hours of work, in order to function with the new client. In some cases, such as with XenoBot and likely others, it's safe to say that writing a completely new bot will actually prove easier than adapting the existing bot to the new client.

However, this isn't the end. There's a few ways the release of the client can play out:


The classic client stays around for a year or more while testing is done and bugs are ironed out of the new client.
Cipsoft pulls the trigger and kills the classic client within a few months and makes the move to the new client mandatory,


Here's how each scenario will play out from the perspective of the bot community:

Everything stays how it is, and bots keep updating for the classic client. In parallel, bot developers work on new bots for the new client, and plan to release them when the old client is dead.
We're left without bots for a while while bot developers work on new bots for the new client.


Clearly, the first scenario is what we want to happen. Either way, though, here's what you can expect from XenoBot:

I will continue to update, improve, and support the bot until the classic client breathes it's dying breath.
Once the classic client is dead, XenoBot will live on and be supported in the world of OT servers for years to come.
When the day comes that the demand for XenoBot is too low to for me to keep up maintenance, I'll:

Create a stand-alone version of the bot that can be used by anyone, anywhere, for free.
Release the source code to the bot so that the public can learn from the code and, in some cases, ridicule the terrible coding decisions I've made.
Take the forums offline and leave up a minimalist website with download, usage, and compilation instructions.


I don't see the above happening for a few more years, though, so rest assured we'll be around for a while.


Now, depending on how everything plays out and how insurmountable of a bitch the new client is, I may or may not be making a new bot for Tibia. At this point in time, I honestly am not sure. But, if I did, it wouldn't be XenoBot. It would be a fresh new bot that takes into account all of the learning and growing I've done over the 8 years that I've spent on XenoBot. If and when that day comes, I'll make sure everyone knows about it. But, right now, with no clue how everything will play out, what I'll be doing in life when the classic client dies, or how much demand there will be for a new bot, I really cannot give a definitive answer.

No matter how the next few months or years unfold, there's one thing I can say with certainty: it's been a pleasure. I started this bot when I was 15, and I made it for fun. It was my first project in C++. Over the years, you guys, the community, turned it into the monster it is today. You've pushed me to better myself and my software, to try new things, and to write code I never dreamed I could in the past. Turning this hobby into a business took me from a homeless high-school dropout living in a car to a successful C++ engineer with a bright career, a nearly published book, and a whole hell of a lot more experience than I'd have gotten otherwise. You're my customers, but you're also my friends and my fellow Tibians, and I wouldn't have gotten here without you. My life was made forever different by your support, and I thank you. Stick around and let's see how we can weather this storm together.

//DarkstaR

Youre not allowed to stop.

[Stusse]

The first one doesn't really matter. Take the scenario after the decay of Neobot, for instance: right after it went out, both RedBot and XenoBot were already arround, but it was iBot, released quite a while later, that dominated the market until WindBot, which came over an year later, took its position. Of course, you do have some lead by being the first one but it's not that much.
Got any information about WindBot's continued development in regards to this news?

/Stusse

[Mexen]

Got any information about WindBot's continued development in regards to this news?

/Stusse

According to them Windbot will run perfectly fine but may need some minor tweaks.

[DarkstaR]

The first one doesn't really matter. Take the scenario after the decay of Neobot, for instance: right after it went out, both RedBot and XenoBot were already arround, but it was iBot, released quite a while later, that dominated the market until WindBot, which came over an year later, took its position. Of course, you do have some lead by being the first one but it's not that much.

While that's true, you need to look at why. The reason iBot won is because RedBot was terrible and people were scared of injection because of the precedent set by NeoBot. It had nothing to do with the merit or funtionality of iBot, or a failure on the part of XenoBot, but rather the fear made by Ekx.

I'm sure when the new client comes to stay, this stigma will be somewhat depleted due to both the new environment and the example that XenoBot has set. Because of that, whether or not the first bot is injected, its timing will propel it to the top *unless* it happens to be terrible.

[DarkstaR]

According to them Windbot will run perfectly fine but may need some minor tweaks.

Minor is an understatement. In order to send accurate mouse clicks to the UI, the bot absolutely must have some idea of the structure of the client's UI. That's one of the most complicated things to work with currently, and the only reason they've managed (imho) is because the structure and information was freely released on tpforums.

They'll need to start from square one and reverse engineer this structure, and likely the creatures and containers structures, before they're able to do things like attack monsters, move items, and use the shop. Even with a perfect proxy, there's simply no way to do all of this without some way to identify the rough shape of the UI.

In fact, while XenoBot also relies on this data, it would likely be much easier for me to replace the existing XenoBot UI with an external UI, thus breaking my reliance on this data, than it would be for WB to reverse engineer the new UI structure.

[Rebellos]

Just when I planned better TA integration into the client... ;P

Anyway, the new client might be actually easier to RE because Qt unifies lots of stuff.
Just whole events ping-pong is annoying, but I believe it requires some IDA scripts matched to the Qt5 meta compiler used, and it should be easy enough to move around.

I'll drop a post on TPForums if I figure something out.

[DarkstaR]

Just when I planned better TA integration into the client... ;P

Anyway, the new client might be actually easier to RE because Qt unifies lots of stuff.
Just whole events ping-pong is annoying, but I believe it requires some IDA scripts matched to the Qt5 meta compiler used, and it should be easy enough to move around.

I'll drop a post on TPForums if I figure something out.

While it's true that QT leaves behind a sufficient amount of metadata, it's actually the structures that will be difficult. When everything is coded with C++ best practices, it's the data structures that bite your ass. Proper OOP means pointer chains for days. It's slightly more complex to read an std::vector than a flat array, and extremely more complex to read an std::map or std::set. std::list is somewhere in the middle, but if they're using things like QString and QList, it's much harder again. It really depends on how it was designed.

[spook]

No matter how the next few months or years unfold, there's one thing I can say with certainty: it's been a pleasure. I started this bot when I was 15, and I made it for fun. It was my first project in C++. Over the years, you guys, the community, turned it into the monster it is today. You've pushed me to better myself and my software, to try new things, and to write code I never dreamed I could in the past. Turning this hobby into a business took me from a homeless high-school dropout living in a car to a successful C++ engineer with a bright career, a nearly published book, and a whole hell of a lot more experience than I'd have gotten otherwise. You're my customers, but you're also my friends and my fellow Tibians, and I wouldn't have gotten here without you. My life was made forever different by your support, and I thank you. Stick around and let's see how we can weather this storm together.

//DarkstaR

You're inspiring! Keep up the good work!

[sausting]

You're inspiring! Keep up the good work!

+1
It's a great story, glad to have been a, albeit very very small, part of it!
10/10 would pick xeno again

[Apoc]

Best bot ever bro, no matter what happens. It was a pleasure.

[Zielonytibia]

GL DarkstaR! :)

[texmex47]

what will happen with flash client? will it also be remade from scratch or something? or is that even possible with flash?

maybe a flash bot would be easier to make? but then again, who uses flash? :p

[holos]

well we will see what happens however I always stayed loyal to xenobot for years.
However I made some thoughts about the tibian economy.
The rareness of addon items like slug drug, piece of coth etc will increase a lot of course.Because mostly botters sell that stuff nobody actully hunts those spawns. However will the price increase too? thats my question. Because the total income of tibians will reduce drastic. So will the price increase or even decrease?
Same goes for Accounts whats the point on having more than one account without bot? But at the same time there will be less chars on sale which will increase the price. Same goes for tibia coints ofc...
So Guys what do u think about my thoughts? Will it even stay the same? Some economic analys plx :D I am thinking of investing all my kks into that change :D

[Swaghetti]

Lets talk about the Xenobot lottery with feru hat? Is the hat ever going to be given out? :)

[Y2Quakepc2]

Lets talk about the Xenobot lottery with feru hat? Is the hat ever going to be given out? :)

+1 nick, some word on that?

[Gordo]

damn ninjas cutting onions; feels trip too; in a way made me realize I've been in these forums for 4 years and its been a hell of a ride

[chomiczenko]

so 11.0 = end of xenobot?

[brindeds]

OMGOD almost cried it. I bought your book and am enjoying very much, congratulations on taking action to write a book that you try to pass on all the knowledge in words, I know it is very difficult.
Speaking now of Xenobot not let him die. Play the code outside does not mean you leave it behind, even rewriting all the code part I believe that the basic settings can continue to be used as the lib Lua.
I know Xenobot a short time, I confess. I met with crack versions Ot Servs through a cousin. Like any other day I saw you there in the livestream, and even made a compliment when I said I was impressed by the way you interacted with the public, and a ton of features that you added. After I said that you got me 30 days of premium on free Xenobot, starting that day every time I played Tibia was through Xenobot. I also have to confess the work of others admins, moderators who always treated me with respect in Slack. Xenobot will not die, it will resurge like a Phoenix from the ashes.

Long live Xenobot <3

[worfie]

Thank you for the update, and thank you for all these fun years - I started using your bot when i was young as well, i think a decent amount of people have grown with you through these years... It's been a fun experience and i'm so happy for you that life is going so well! That's great!

Thanks again, good times

Edit: this is not my first account on here haha, forget my old info, i've been around since long before 2014

[l4z]

R.I.P

[kaktus]

I lost my old account data, so I had to make new account. I was using Xenobot right after Neobot was dead. After few months i moved to Ibot because many known scripters and old moderators of Neobot was working on Ibot. imo many users did the same as me. When they started using Windbot, i started using it too. If there's someone, who can handle new client, and beat Windbot, it's you and your team Darkstar. Wish u best luck no matter what happens.

[Stusse]

I hope you get around to continuing producing bot for Tibia! XenoBot has been more trusted and safer than any other bot on the market in terms of deletion risks and failsafes I've experienced through my years using this bot.

I've been trying out other bots and been close to changing, but always kept coming back to the conclusion that XenoBot is the most reliable bot on the market currently. I know there are certain things you wish to perfect with it, and this is the chance to do so! I know XenoBot had a huge disadvantage in the time after the fall of NeoBot due to NeoBot's spread propaganda of the injections. After shown time and time again that we can rely on your product I do believe you could get a much bigger market share after the 11.0 patch if you were to continue developing Tibia bots. Your knowledge and skills are simply in a different league compared to the other bot-creators.

It has been a true pleasure being apart of this community throughout the years and I do hope the show goes on after the patch. In either way, sincere thank you and good luck in the future.

/Stusse

[Pageypeo]

//DarkstaR

Would you be interested in creating a basic version of xeno? such as a spellcaster/healer that's about it :)

[Funkgary]

so 11.0 = end of xenobot?

11.0 = end of all bots, tibiacast, anything that injects into the game or is an application that is in association with the game

[Funkgary]

Would you be interested in creating a basic version of xeno? such as a spellcaster/healer that's about it :)

That's a good idea, healer. mc, and hold target

[Bollo]

If CIP is so stupid that they actually try to kill the botting part of Tibia, needless to say that the game WILL die.

Sure, some players will continue, some players will start over. But Tibia is since long a broken game and 90% of their income today is from the botters, so I sure as hell hope that they think before doing something like killing the current client for the new one.
Im pretty sure they will understand this aswell, considering money is the only thing that matters in the end.

Just think of it, the latest changes with buying ingame POTS for IRL money, wtf? talk about destroying a game with introducing the most obvious pay2win condition EVER. Mounts,outfits etc is something players can get anyway and it doesent really matter for the players if someone buys a cool mount or an outfit... but fucking pots n shit, that is taking it to the next level.

We'll see how everything sorts out, most likely it will be as Darkstar says - nothing major will happend until they are sure everything is working as intended etc. And this will in my wild guess, be in atleast 1-2 years, IF they are not doing it to actually try and kill the botters, which I have a hard time seeing with how they have their "auto detection system" which is pure BS for how they ban. They just ban people with enough player reports or stupid, obvious botting. We pay premium time, we transfer characters, we contribute with shitloads of money which CIP simply cannot ignore.

[Evancion]

11.0 = end of all bots, tibiacast, anything that injects into the game or is an application that is in association with the game

Did you even read DarkstaR's post? It's not the end, but a prolonged delay of having anything completed.

[jo3bingham]

11.0 = end of all bots, tibiacast, anything that injects into the game or is an application that is in association with the game

After having looked at the new client internally, I can 100% say that this will not stop bots. Sure, current bots won't work with it out-of-the-box, but depending on how long before CipSoft makes this the official client we could, and probably will, see bots on the first day.

[racoiaws]

While it's true that QT leaves behind a sufficient amount of metadata, it's actually the structures that will be difficult. When everything is coded with C++ best practices, it's the data structures that bite your ass. Proper OOP means pointer chains for days. It's slightly more complex to read an std::vector than a flat array, and extremely more complex to read an std::map or std::set. std::list is somewhere in the middle, but if they're using things like QString and QList, it's much harder again. It really depends on how it was designed.

Sure, but can't you just make a pointer to the data structure and call it a day? E.g. you find a std::set<whatever> in memory, so you just make a std::set<whatever> pointer and point it at the right spot. It's just a matter of finding the right address and whatever <whatever> is.

[Lilithwins]

Perfect synchronicity with death of xenobot.
Character ljudmila does not exist.

[DarkstaR]

Sure, but can't you just make a pointer to the data structure and call it a day? E.g. you find a std::set<whatever> in memory, so you just make a std::set<whatever> pointer and point it at the right spot. It's just a matter of finding the right address and whatever <whatever> is.

Yes and no. First off, you need to know what something is. If it's an integer or whatever, you're good, if not, you have to reverse engineer the structure, or at least it's size, in order to mimic it. Second, you need to make sure you're not only using the same compiler, but the same revision of the standard library, and the same compiler options. Is iterator debugging turned off at compile-time for the client? Then it probably must be at compile-time for your bot.

If those things are taken care of then, yes, you CAN do this. The real trick is being able to say "Hey, this is something stored in an std::set<>"! Most people have no clue the underlying structure of an std::string or std::vector, let alone std::set. These are pretty complex structures. Of course, once you know them well, it's easy to pick them out with scripts, but most people don't know them well and don't have the scripts.

Once you get a bot developer familiar with those things, which we can comfortably say a lot of current bot developers aren't after seeing how badly everything unfolded when cipsoft changed the container structure to use std::map<> instead of a flat array, then that piece becomes easy. But in my comment, the part I actually meant to highlight was the pointer chains to everything, and, furthermore, the fact that we'll have to deal with things like smart pointers and singletons, which add more layers of indirection and, at times, make it very hard to even find pointer paths.

At the end of the day, bots will be made, but they won't be made with the same ease as they are now. Back when I started making bots, it was possible for someone with very little experience to really understand not only what Tibia bots did, but also how they did it and why they did it. From here on out, though, that's not going to be the case, I don't think. Everything is going to be shrouded in quite a few levels of indirection.

[Funkgary]

https://www.tibiacast.com/forum/discussion-3840-announcing-the-end-of-tibiacast

Alexander
Running Tibiacast for the last 7 years has been fun, educational and at times stressful. However, in the recent years our lives have changed. Both of us now have other full time jobs and our interest for Tibia itself has waned.

Due to the nature of our service we have been playing a constant game of catch up with CipSoft. Whenever they have made changes to Tibia, we've had to match them in Tibiacast. It's always been a precarious situation, and we've often worried that we'd be faced with an update that would be too difficult to support, and it seems that has now happened.

Tibia 11 brings some major changes and we've concluded that we'll not be able to support them. We simply don't have enough time right now in our lives to make it happen.

We have decided to close Tibiacast on June 30th, or when Tibia 11 replaces the old client, whichever comes first. The website will remain online to host the recordings for another 2 months to allow everyone to download and convert their old recordings.

We will continue to sell 1 month premium subscriptions via PayPal until June 1.

Those with premium time remaining when Tibiacast closes will be refunded.

No doubt there will be many questions. We'll try to answer them as best we can.

Thank you for this time.

Alexander and John

[Y2Quakepc2]

I still can't see how this will be bad for anyone.

Somebody will write a better tibiacast for sure.

Somebody will make a better bot, for sure.


I can only see new oportunities for people with this client-change


Hard to understand, but competition will always be the best way to get things improved.

[Funkgary]

I still can't see how this will be bad for anyone.

Somebody will write a better tibiacast for sure.

Somebody will make a better bot, for sure.


I can only see new oportunities for people with this client-change


Hard to understand, but competition will always be the best way to get things improved.


Yeah and during the time that bots are down, assuming it takes creators more than a month, characters will be worth more for a little while xD

[kimpan1337]

If CIP is so stupid that they actually try to kill the botting part of Tibia, needless to say that the game WILL die.

Sure, some players will continue, some players will start over. But Tibia is since long a broken game and 90% of their income today is from the botters, so I sure as hell hope that they think before doing something like killing the current client for the new one.
Im pretty sure they will understand this aswell, considering money is the only thing that matters in the end.

Just think of it, the latest changes with buying ingame POTS for IRL money, wtf? talk about destroying a game with introducing the most obvious pay2win condition EVER. Mounts,outfits etc is something players can get anyway and it doesent really matter for the players if someone buys a cool mount or an outfit... but fucking pots n shit, that is taking it to the next level.

We'll see how everything sorts out, most likely it will be as Darkstar says - nothing major will happend until they are sure everything is working as intended etc. And this will in my wild guess, be in atleast 1-2 years, IF they are not doing it to actually try and kill the botters, which I have a hard time seeing with how they have their "auto detection system" which is pure BS for how they ban. They just ban people with enough player reports or stupid, obvious botting. We pay premium time, we transfer characters, we contribute with shitloads of money which CIP simply cannot ignore.

but u cant buy it while pz or something u need to be like in off battle to be able to buy it , correct me if I am wrong

[alpha90]

Cheer up :o!

[Bollo]

but u cant buy it while pz or something u need to be like in off battle to be able to buy it , correct me if I am wrong
True, but its still a very strange thing to introduce to a game if you dont want to make a complete "pay2win"-game.

Although Tibia was broken many years ago when PVP got broken and botting became a must in order to keep up with the rest, well, maybe its not so strange after all. Ppl buy ingame cash for RL cash so why not pots for RL cash, pretty much the same, although the money goes straight into CiPs pocket.

But its still a thing thats "over the line" to introduce, imo.

[goro0151]

DarkstaR hope you decide to make xeno 11.0

[richibot]

if someone know about bots answer this plz

http://goo.gl/forms/qHhyGIguGbH9Tud23

thanks very much

[satoshi]

Well, I think this is an indicator to get back to real life. lol

[royston]

Thanks for developing this bot. I know we are lazy.

[colin009uk]

u think it will be back running today?

[l4z]

Hope so.. :)

[callumbagshaw]

respect man

[downloadkct]

I know 1 thing for sure;

Whoever succeed on building the FIRST bot (not simpler ones like heal only) after the Tibia 11 is released will gain the whole bot market, im sure of that.

[Adrax 13]

I know 1 thing for sure;

Whoever succeed on building the FIRST bot (not simpler ones like heal only) after the Tibia 11 is released will gain the whole bot market, im sure of that.

I really hope xeno comes out on top!

[Trykon]

Yup. I really got used to it ;) after some time spent it is all simple. And I love those ready scripts like reach depo etc

[Snurq]

Ey Darky, Cipsoft wanted this words from you. Dont give up from this fags. U have to fight with this Update. Its not so bad like u think. I trust in you. Cya

[zezztah]

To be honest, I'm quite happy about this new client. Because the main reason for me and many close friends of mine stop playing RL and tibia in general is because of bots. I've always hated botting in RL.

Now before you guys come and complain that what I am doing on this forum and so on, is that I bot - yes. But on OT, I would never bot on RL since that honestly destroys the purpose of the game. I see OT as another way of playing tibia, I play on hexera which I mostly cares about PKing for which I use bot to get to a reasonable level; also gather rares...

If I'd were to play on RL, it would be a complete different story as I would with my friends quest, hunt, pk, wars and so on. Which if bots get involved with that it completely ruins the fun for me and everyone else. It's a unfair advantage. I don't blame you all for botting.

We were always a big group of players playing the game going on a fun adventure togheter. Sadly since almost everyone quit now only one friend of mine still plays the game with me.
I've also never used bot in a pk fight as I hate it myself when people use it so I ain't going to bother sinking down to their level.

Though I've always been fascinated within the world of bots. It's so impressive to see how a simple (not simple) program can basically make the character do what you're basically doing.

There's also one other major reason I'm happy that this new client is coming and the doom of the bots, which is steam - yes steam. Steam have always had a very strict policy agains't cheats, and they were well aware of tibia and it's problems with bots which basically is cheating. Therefor they will not allow tibia within the steam store. So steam told them that they need to get rid of the big problem they have if they wanted to be published in steam. Tibia knows though that Steam is probably the only hope it has right now of getting back a strong and big playerbase since they're slowly dying from lack of players, also a big reason since they're dying out is because of the botters aka cheaters. It is how it is, sadly.



inb4 hate on me cuz telling the truth

[Trykon]

Well you may be right, but now most of players are botters, as we keep this game alive. If botters quit I don't think that for every bot pacc account they will get pacc players.
I think client v11 will both get rid of botters and get some players back, but not sufficient

[zezztah]

If CIP is so stupid that they actually try to kill the botting part of Tibia, needless to say that the game WILL die.

Hah! If there is something that I can promise you, that is that tibia will NOT die after they get rid of all the botters, I'm quite sure that the player count will rise like a rocket; due to the fact that tibia will be released onto steam as soon as they get rid of all the botters. Tibia is currently on greenlight and has been awhile, the reason why it hasn't come out to the store yet is because of the botters, which is also looked at as CHEAT - which steam has a STRICT policy agaisn't. And the fact that tibia hasn't really done any major changes to their part of dooming the botters will not change steams view of it. And as soon as tibia gets out on steam it will get great marketing and ALOT of new and old players will return as many also quit due to the fact that people bot.

And oh, i'd just like to point something out...
mounts and outfits for real money isn't really pay2win... pay2win is considered when you use real money to buy something ingame which gives you a ADVANTAGE over other who have not payed money. I don't really see how you're getting a advantage by buying a mount or pots... :)

[Trykon]

You can sell pots/tibia coins for gp and buy anything you want :)

[Blindbat]

Yep its hypocritical but I agree with Zezztah. Have you ever tried to chase someone with Magebot? Bots took the fun out of the game. One person in a leading guild botting 5 good spawns 24/7. Level 500's that can't heal manually? It's a joke. Full Bot guilds like Elenco Fabuluso that bot the characters high then power abuse the manual players. It will be a fun few weeks for everyone who can play without Bots and hell for the people that can't. I'd prefer the game without bots but if you can't beat 'em join them.

Thanks for Xenobot Darkstar! It was pretty epic compared to NG the only other Bot I ever tried :D Goodluck!

[NeeP]

Haven't been much around for like 1 year, iBot still exists? I wonder how they're facing their 100% sure death :D
Well, if Cipsoft decides to disable the current classic client then it will be very interesting how several servers/leading guilds want to hold their powers. There's alot of people who don't even login once the bot doesn't work e.g. because of Updates. It would be funny to invade and takeover some of those servers :p

[Trykon]

Hahahah when I see update then I go play on ps4 till I see post from DarkstaR xD
ofc if I have day off

[MUHFUGGAS]

Great post Darkstar

[kokodzambo]

I'm very happy of current situation,

I used to play Tibia between 2005 and 2010, then I had a 5 years break and played " Retro-PVP " which was far far far away from that what I was expecting... Due "unlimited" cash it was not possible to hunt anyone in the end, even with huge team due lack of frags ( all of Red Skulls were skull bashed straight away ).

After a year of non-botted Tibia, we will get back to good old days = wars without war modes, lack of money, people who "deserved" to be high level will be in the top..

Im planning to get back to play together with 30 other friends, and to be fair with you all this is only one ulimate solution to keep this game alive - get rid of ALL SOPHISTICATED botters..

By the time you could have been botting shitty places such as Apes, Chakoyes, Rotworms etc etc for money was kinda fair - those days, that cash makers were making enough money for war purposes.. in current day when I see 300 level paladins making 100k/cash per hour profit is quite sick, destroying deeply this game...

[DaCheesy]

Would be the best for tibia to become free of Botters but i think this will not happen als Long als CIP doesn't take it REALLY serious. They can get ride of it easy of they want to.. I Hope for 11.0 but I don't believe there will change anything

Lets See but i would love the old manual hunting days to come back!

[zxzero]

Honestly, I am a botter. I won't deny it. However, I did love the days before bots. They were amazing, the old tibia was amazing. Sure it had some down sides but it also had it's upsides. I don't think tibia can ever go back to being like what it was though.
This 11.0 patch may be a new beginning but it's too late for that now as most of the old players have gone and moved on. I will play 11.0 patch without botting, that much is sure. If botting comes back, which unless they have done tremendous updates to be able to detect botting, then I will go back to botting/playing manual. I think it's a good sign that tibia is moving towards this change, albeit too late in the game. If they have it programmed so that every update will have to require you to completely reprogram your bot, or ever day things change preventing you from botting I think that would be great. I am not hating on botters, as I have said currently I am one. However I do think that interaction between players, and everything about the old tibia is the stuff I miss. Which there isn't much of these days.

Edit: reading some of the comments, I can't believe how many people are thinking the same as me.

2nd edit: Although I say it will be a good move for tibia. I won't deny that I will feel bad for Darkstar, and hopefully it wasn't taken that way. Obviously it really sucks for him and I feel for him as it most likely is his main source of income.

[downloadkct]

Would be the best for tibia to become free of Botters but i think this will not happen als Long als CIP doesn't take it REALLY serious. They can get ride of it easy of they want to.. I Hope for 11.0 but I don't believe there will change anything

Lets See but i would love the old manual hunting days to come back!

How many users do you think they would have if the bots are completely gone ? They now have 12~14k, maybe 5~6k?
Now, how many of these users do you think would pay premium account with real cash directly from them instead of paying for ingame cash ? Maybe 1k?
Tibia will die in the same second bots are gone, believe me. They cant just afford all the servers without botters.

[DaCheesy]

How many users do you think they would have if the bots are completely gone ? They now have 12~14k, maybe 5~6k?
Now, how many of these users do you think would pay premium account with real cash directly from them instead of paying for ingame cash ? Maybe 1k?
Tibia will die in the same second bots are gone, believe me. They cant just afford all the servers without botters.


You are Right in that Point but if they want to serve us a game and not a full automated nerd MMO, they Need to change that point even if they have much less income for a longer period of time and of course less "players" online. Tibia will die with botters too but CIP will never manage it i guess to bring this game back to where it once was. I especially mean the player base with around 50.000 online on average.

Discussing their customer Support etc isn't needed I guess because it can't be more worse.
CIP got zero marketing and can't manage a steam release and if they wanted to make the game more public to a wide range of steam users, they'd have to solve the botting problems first.

[meia]

Please, help me !
I need a script that limit in a particular item, the amount you want to get Example:
I want my Kina during a hunt, take a maximum of 15 meat without disturbing the rest of the loot to collect. Someone would?

[IvanKnight]

Amazing project. If you ever decide to go ahead with the new bot and you need more hands on it, please contact me. I would be pleased to be part of a project like this. Thanks for all your great work and professionalism you have shown during the last years.

[sylvan]

I've had some good memories using this bot and TUGbot!!! You should be proud of what you have accomplished, you've made alot of improvement since TUGbot and the initial release of Xenobot. Keep up the good work!! Cheers

[alpha90]

Update it plox

[Sensatiom]

Gg Wp!! Ez Cipsoft Came the day

[iNiperx]

The WindBot developer already stated that he's pushing an update within a week (or will try to) for Tibia 11, that he has been working on it since April. GG XenoBot lol.

[Dzonzi]

Do u think its possible to make only healer/spellcaster for tibia 11? Its help a lot, when im playing manual.

[Merre]

The WindBot developer already stated that he's pushing an update within a week (or will try to) for Tibia 11, that he has been working on it since April. GG XenoBot lol.

So? This is XB buddy :)

[jollebollen]

Honestly, I am a botter. I won't deny it. However, I did love the days before bots. They were amazing, the old tibia was amazing. Sure it had some down sides but it also had it's upsides. I don't think tibia can ever go back to being like what it was though.
This 11.0 patch may be a new beginning but it's too late for that now as most of the old players have gone and moved on. I will play 11.0 patch without botting, that much is sure. If botting comes back, which unless they have done tremendous updates to be able to detect botting, then I will go back to botting/playing manual. I think it's a good sign that tibia is moving towards this change, albeit too late in the game. If they have it programmed so that every update will have to require you to completely reprogram your bot, or ever day things change preventing you from botting I think that would be great. I am not hating on botters, as I have said currently I am one. However I do think that interaction between players, and everything about the old tibia is the stuff I miss. Which there isn't much of these days.

Edit: reading some of the comments, I can't believe how many people are thinking the same as me.

2nd edit: Although I say it will be a good move for tibia. I won't deny that I will feel bad for Darkstar, and hopefully it wasn't taken that way. Obviously it really sucks for him and I feel for him as it most likely is his main source of income.

Start on Medivia then if you like 7.4 times.

1000+ players online everyday, trade chat is spammed every second, real economy, no runes in shop, it is not an OT, it is a new game and the server has been online for 5 years.. Try it and you will love it, it's sick :P No bots btw.

[downloadkct]

The WindBot developer already stated that he's pushing an update within a week (or will try to) for Tibia 11, that he has been working on it since April. GG XenoBot lol.

There will be only 2 competitors, Windbot and iBot, sad to hear xenobot and bbot will not support 11, its nice to have competitors.

[jossor]

I just wanted to mention that other bots are on the move, they are trying to make a bot compatible with the tibia 11 client. Windbot is one of them. On the other hand, many bots will probably be shutdown as mentioned but there will always be people stubborn enough to keep on the legacy of the tibia bot. So if i were you, i would keep an eye out in the future.

[Snkifador]

No bots btw.

Seriously? How come?

[Ohman]

Seriously? How come?

It uses an own client based on 'otclient', so memory addresses etc are completely different. Haven't tried myself but I read somewhere that its a bit more complicated to make a bot for it also, where he purposely made it harder to build bots for it. However like always it's obviously possible to make a bot for it like for any other game just if you put enough time.. Another reason why there is not bot is because the market is too small, you wouldn't make enough money for it be worth maintaining a bot for it.

[Snkifador]

It uses an own client based on 'otclient', so memory addresses etc are completely different. Haven't tried myself but I read somewhere that its a bit more complicated to make a bot for it also, where he purposely made it harder to build bots for it. However like always it's obviously possible to make a bot for it like for any other game just if you put enough time.. Another reason why there is not bot is because the market is too small, you wouldn't make enough money for it be worth maintaining a bot for it.

Interesting. I should be transitioning to it then. Telania is literally just 'SELL CHARS & KKS' spam, everyone is botting max MC limit 24/7.

[NeeP]

So after final update to tibia 11 everything on this xenobot forum will be more or less worthless right? Nobody playing real tibia can use any xenobot script etc anymore lol

[DPK]

Sad to hear that DarkstaR, but, thank you for this awesome bot.

[igotitkk]

Anyone knows how long the10.98 will work? Is it worth buying bot or will i be forced to play 11.0 like.. Tomorrow?

[NeeP]

I wouldn't buy it. Huge ban wave going on I heard. A friend of mine got deleted 2 days ago for only downloading bot and starting it up lol :D (was not xenobot, tho)

Who knows how long this bot will be usable?! Maybe 1 week? 2 weeks? Nobody knows....

[downloadkct]

I wouldn't buy it. Huge ban wave going on I heard. A friend of mine got deleted 2 days ago for only downloading bot and starting it up lol :D (was not xenobot, tho)

Who knows how long this bot will be usable?! Maybe 1 week? 2 weeks? Nobody knows....

Yes, keep lying haha, so now cipsoft is running VAC and analyzing everything you run while theyr game is open.. right

[przemoboski]

Yes, keep lying haha, so now cipsoft is running VAC and analyzing everything you run while theyr game is open.. right

Well you never know yourself, do you? Have you reverse engineered their client to prove they're not monitoring your computer?

[sausting]

nick has, to date, they aren't. not exactly. He let us know when they started sending info about graphics card and frame rate ect.

[NeeP]

Yes, keep lying haha, so now cipsoft is running VAC and analyzing everything you run while theyr game is open.. right

So why did he get deleted, he was never botting, he said he opened bot once just to check out features, he didn't use it for exp, just to get familiar. Also he's not lying about his manual past since why would he lie to me and other friends.
I can only say what I know. Who knows - maybe cip now checks for some changes that a bot makes on a PC. It could be anything. Processes, altered memories, delays, idk


nick has, to date, they aren't. not exactly. He let us know when they started sending info about graphics card and frame rate ect.

he has but afaik long time ago - at that time it didn't have it as you said. Who knows if they added it with a recent update.
Does Darkstar check it everytime there's a new client version?

[NeeP]

merged

[playmate]

Tomorrow, October 25, all game worlds as well as the website will be offline from 10:00 until 14:00 CEST approximately due to technical maintenance work.

Thank you and good night.

[sausting]

Thank you and good night.


Putting some simple numbers into perspective:

Fun fact; if you would use the lifetime license until 2038, you would save $2592 on subscription fees!

I wish you good luck, but I wouldn't be selling mine for less than $200.


:rolleyes:

[playmate]

:rolleyes:

Did you really go back to February to find that post? :rolleyes:

Also... why? :D Do you think I should have sold it? Maybe I could've quit my job for those 100 bucks... Oh man, the millionaire life style I missed out on... Dayum. :cool:

Also; link hq res picture of avatar

[sausting]

Did you really go back to February to find that post? :rolleyes:

Also... why? :D Do you think I should have sold it? Maybe I could've quit my job for those 100 bucks... Oh man, the millionaire life style I missed out on... Dayum. :cool:

Also; link hq res picture of avatar


It's hardly finding when you know what you're looking for.

I told you then, and will say it again, best troll i've ever seen.

[playmate]

It's hardly finding when you know what you're looking for.

I told you then, and will say it again, best troll i've ever seen.

:o .......

[azordon1]

Will be update to 10.99? or we must buy other bot?

[kroto]

Will be update to 10.99? or we must buy other bot?

I wanna know the same thing.

[kushpally]

I wanna know the same thing.

Me aswell

[Wister]

Same same, love this bot! To bad it's not going to work for future Tibia clients

[special account created t]

Look up guys
Reminder: XenoBot does not support Tibia 11 If you want to keep using XenoBot, for the time being, you can play on client 10.99 if you keep pressing cancel on the popup to install Tibia 11. When Tibia 10.98 is removed, XenoBot will continue to support Tibia versions 8.70 to 10.99 for OT servers. Thanks for sticking with us for all this time.

[skankedya]

i noticed you cant hit cancel anymore it just goes right to update does that mean its over now for xeno?

[downloadkct]

Just a reminder, the upcoming major update WILL also be released for 10v client so Tibia 11 will only be forced in 2017.

[kushpally]

i noticed you cant hit cancel anymore it just goes right to update does that mean its over now for xeno?

Hey, download 10.99 from Tibia.com , and you can enjoy the old client with xeno.

[hanysek997]

;O ;;OO

[janto23]

espero tener xeno bot para tibia 11 me gustaria i creo que lo podeis lograr! si abeis llegado asta aqui podeis llegar a mas!

[dajustin]

Ive used Tibiaauto ( never got me banned 24h use)
Ive used Bbot( 24h use not banned also was easiest to use)
Ive used Xenobot ( for me was hard to use and 24h usage but most stable.)

Now i have a friend that did some freelance C++ at the tibia 11 client i could ask how much $$ he wants to give us the sources he has or can get? would that be on any help

[Detallado]

Any chances of source code being released at Github or somewhere else?

[Fuzzy212]

just wanted to say thank you darkstar for the bot you have created. ive used tug bot way back . sad to see it might be the end of it .never been banned using ur bot.

[bojos240]

Anybody knows when 10.99 is goin down?

[XtrmJosh]

Anybody knows when 10.99 is goin down?

Nope, but CIP did recently announce that they will update it as part of the winter update, so I imagine at earliest March 2017.

[mamiloe]

Since today update and im using the tibia 10 still i cant go to "supporter" anymore ingame. i can setup my healing script before i login but i cant activate other lua's or change healings and stuff. Is it just me or?

[Krim]

Since today update and im using the tibia 10 still i cant go to "supporter" anymore ingame. i can setup my healing script before i login but i cant activate other lua's or change healings and stuff. Is it just me or?

I think its just you, everything works fine for me as usual.

[DarkstaR]

Since today update and im using the tibia 10 still i cant go to "supporter" anymore ingame. i can setup my healing script before i login but i cant activate other lua's or change healings and stuff. Is it just me or?
The menu on your character is broken right now, but you can bring up the same menu by right-clicking the blank space on the right and left side of the game window.

I'll fix this tonight.

[creatina]

¿Any news about the future of xenobot? I returned to play after 1 year and i bought the bot 5 days ago and now I hear the whole problem :(

[sirvantela]

quiero cancelar la subcricion . como lo hago
me estan cobrando y yo no estoy jugando ya,,,

[nxn]

The menu on your character is broken right now, but you can bring up the same menu by right-clicking the blank space on the right and left side of the game window.

I'll fix this tonight.

Hey Darkstar, I find when I try to save the settings in the client, the client freezes and must be force closed. Fix?

[sasa60]

xD nice

[Pat]

Any chance you'll consider putting in the features not previously able to be included due to being detected? I imagine the lua scripts are going to fade away pretty quickly as the bot becomes less popular - the scripts really have provided huge amounts of features not included in the bot over the years

[Mizgamus]

Now i cant log in tibia 10 idk why,this problem have after save server from yesterday

[kyvz]

CLOSE OR BANN MY FUCKING ACCOUNT.. i can't understand this dam bot and it's really pissing me off how the site is not that helpful..
i'm done .... not simple at all

[Dark Archer]

There is a program out there that can be used to bot (don't remember the name), its commonly used for league of legends. Its a botting program that uses visual recognition on the screen as a trigger to perform certain acts. I'm not sure how waypoints/checkpoints would work with it, but you could make a simple health/mana healer and attack targets in battle list within a few minutes. Something to think about if xenobot updates are discontinued?

[rodriguuh]

Oi, eu baixei um script de Oramond, abri o script, nao tem nenhum wpt marcado no cave e nenhum target marcado tbm......................................:mad::mad ::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[knoxzin]

I advise everyone to visit https://www.bestchange.com/?p=481586

[Itz Guti]

Oh DarkstaR,

First of all hhis Acc is my second one bcs i lost Acess to my "Main"

My Heart is bleeding

I m 26 now and like you i saw the Thing growing. I m so happy for you and what you have done past the years.
I m not playing Tibia anymore sometimes on OTs BUT i m still looking in this forum from time to time and see how is it going.
I m happy to be Part of this wonderful Community! Thanks alot fellas!!

[Yokuny]

Xenobot is for otserver

[Ryujin]

I remember when we were kids :o