Realistically speaking, how many years do you think Tibia has left?

[Gonza]

It's not a secret that tibia has been on a downfall for a few years now, and that one of the main reasons it's still going is because botters like us still pay for premium, being honest, how many years do you think tibia has left? or do you guys think Tibia still has a long way to go?
I for example don't expect Tibia to be alive 3-4 years from now, but I don't know.

[kreoo]

Hard to say... it depends on how it evolves.
But 3-4 years seems to be an educated guess. :/
Also, the more threads like this, more people will put in their minds that Tibia in dying, ur just shortening that time for the sake of what? pure speculation? Keep that in mind

[Infernal Bolt]

I will keep playing it until the end.
I've played this game for almost half my life in not going to stop now :D

[Gonza]

Haven't seen any other threads like this one, I might have missed the one you've seen.
And if you think Tibia isn't in a downfall/dying you just choose to ignore the truth, not like it's going to completely disappear overnight, but still not gaining that many new players.
Or maybe dying is the wrong word for it, maybe 'stuck' would fit better

[desche188]

i reckon if they reset all servers and shit changed a bunch of coding so bots couldnt be used it would go up hill. but then again they probably wont

[Infernal Bolt]

I don't think they would risk resetting all servers because they could lose a lot of players doing so.
Maybe start developing Tibia2? :D

[Jah]

I think tibia has a good 10-15 years to go.
Why? Because there are still a bunch of botter, and like any game, if they are making profit, they will keep going.
Also, i think it will take a turn to the better.
Let's take a bad example, WoW, it had like 3? shitty updates, then MOP came out and alot of people was happy again, i think that will happen to tibia to.

So my money goes for 10-15 years, atleast.
And as Infernal Bolt said, i've played this game for almost half my life, won't stop now.

[Pirate]

I think 2-3 years, the graphics are ok some people like the style i certainly don't mind, but the reason tibia is failing is cause of us, now most fair players have left and all tibia has is machine vs machine, who has the better bot or who is a lifetime subscrber, unless cipsoft finds a way to stop the bots they might last a few extra years if not the game will die cause machines vs machine is not really that much fun XD.

after tibia dies, lets all just play a good OT :)

[Gonza]

Do you honestly think it's got 10-15 years? maybe I just don't see it, but I fucking HOPE they do something better with tibia, start changing stuff or whatever, but let's be real, for how long have the players been asking for change and get nothing? Something big/important has to happen for them to finally start improving the game, like a big chunk of players quitting or something..

[kreoo]

It will die bcoz there are people lvl 500+.... a human can not do that hahaha, tibia shouldnt be level based... maybe change to tibia2 as suggest by Infernal... and make it lvl 100 max and after that focus on itens, quests, group stuff.
Most time spent playing tibia is running on a cave over and over just to get one lvl and after that start all over again except that now you need to stay more time doing the same....
Another thing... CIP does not talk to its customers... you can send as much feedback as you like, they will not reply or act on it. If they only heard the community.. the botters, the regular players, well everyone, they could turn tibia into a much better game, they cant stay the same for ever.

[Avani]

I will keep playing it until the end.
I've played this game for almost half my life in not going to stop now :D

Same, this was my first MMO ever. I even have a 7th Birthday picture of me behind my PC playing Tibia :D
It was my first, and will probably my last MMO aswell.

[Nostrax]

My first and last, alltho I think it will die pretty soonish. 4-5 years.

The downfall: there used to be alot of more players before the frag system came out and the swapping shit and so on.
And every update they fuck it up once more.

Eventually they will get us botters, no doubt. The thing is, if I'll get caught I won't come back and probably alot of us. Since "we've done so much work" (might be in the old days or now) and I'd be to fucking lazy to redo all that shizzle.. so I'll prolly go retired once I get caught. But untill that day, I'll be botting the crap out of each character ;) )

[DarkstaR]

Lets analyze what they've done to kill this game:

PvP has been ruined. PvP bless, swap, etc. These things make pvp less fun and more retarded.
Their scaling is terrible. People get too far ahead and it is impossible to keep up without a bot

Before anyone ever go to 250 they should have had decreased experience gain.
Magic level gain past 80, 23, 10 (Mage, Pally, Ek) should have been greatly slowed.
Any skills over 105 should have been greatly slowed.

They let bots run rampant. NG, Elf, BlackD, and Magebot ruled over Tibia for more than 4 years before CipSoft stepped in. By the time they stepped in, it was too late. Shit, I remember when I used to be ashamed of botters and refused to bot, now look at me.
Their game simply isn't friendly. Rook is hard and complicated to new players. Main is ever worse due to the amount of high-levels, skull bashers, and botters.
The gameplay mechanics are outdated. Many other games are advancing far and fast and tibia refuses to move. Every update, they use the same slow, outdated engine. It needs an overhaul.

They need to re-code their engine to be faster. It's slower than most 3D engines, and it doesn't look nearly as nice.
They need to move from making 2D look like 3D to making 3D look like 2D. The best part, though, is that all of this can be done over the current server infrastructure. They would need new sprites and a new client but the gameplay and servers could still exist with minor changes. Let me explain:

Furniture can rotate, but it's really just a switch between 4 sprites set at 4 different perspectives. They need to start using 3D models for items so everything can rotate. This goes for outfits as well.
To make the environment look 3D, they use layers of sprites. We've all seen, many different times, these layers bug and shitty rendering fall through. This is another reason the need to start using 3D.
Switching to 3D would make the game much better. They could use the same models with different textures instead of having so many different item types. A rusty armor could actually be a DSM, C Armor, Knight Armor, etc, but with a rusty texture. Items could be customized to have different colors and emblems, and house deco could be much more expansive.
Spells could use real particle engines to look bad.fucking.ass. No SD would ever look exactly the same. A UE wouldn;t be the same animation of 50 different tiles in a circle, it would be an actual ring of fire. If you were burning, you would see it on your body (like ignite in LoL). You wouldn't tick 5 health every 5 seconds, you would lose 1 health a second as if it was being drained.
Fighting could have better animations. Plain and simple.

They need to stop focusing on quantity and start focusing on quality. They keep adding new items, cities, monsters, and quests. The game is getting to big for most people to learn, while a lot of the old stuff is still ugly and crappy. They are revamping some cities, though, and I'll touch that soon.

They need better customer relations. It's currently SHIT. Don't feel like even going into this.


Now let's look at some of the good things:

Unfair fight. This helps prevent PA and gives low levels an advantage when dealing with higher levels.
City revamps. They're slowly making the game look better instead of just adding new content (which they need to stop all together).
The new speed scaling. It helps lower levels feel like they mean a bit more now. They can now somewhat keep up with the crowd and not just watch everyone pass them by.
The rook walk-through quest. It's still vague to someone who is not a veteran player (something we don't notice, but new players do), but it's a start. I absolutely hated Tibia when I started playing, the only reason I got through rook was because a friend showed me how. Newcomers will feel the same without something to teach them.

Like Infernal said: I've played this game nearly half my life, and I will play it until it dies. Do I think that will be soon? Unless they make some drastic changes, yes. How long? Probably less than 5 years. But I'll stick around until then.

[Hendy]

Will probably end up sticking around till I get deleted or till the game dies, I give it 3-4 years.

DarkstaR what you said is so true. Its stupid that they are increasing the areas while a server still keeps the same amount of average online people, so the map is just too large for the amount of people on most servers. They really need to revamp most things and make some big changes to draw more people in.

[Raziol]

Their game simply isn't friendly. Rook is hard and complicated to new players.

Have you seen the newest rook? The most basic actions are explained step by step, the local chat, server log, npc channel, killing equipment and also they made rook wand and all staff. that's all good. but this game shouldn't be too easy and making people retarded


make it lvl 100 max and after that focus on itens, quests, group stuff.
it shouldn't have maximum level, it's tibia, not diablo. it could have experience to next level formula of changed to something like (n^2) so every lvl would be twice as much harder to get as previous. But they can't change that because of 500lvl who already gained lvl. It's the thing they should have thought at the beginning


aaaand my answer to topic(cos i forgot about it) is 10 years or as long as they profit from it

[hoodnasty]

Should stay in their own market tbh.

Tibia was unique.

The gameplay of the old days made botting not worthwhile and very difficult.. [Unless you botted rotworms or something bad][talking about 7.6, to 7.7]].

[Gonza]

DarkstaR I agree with pretty much all you said, but, do you think they will eventually try and turn things around? or just wait until the game dies and try to get the most money they can, and once tibia dies, start a new project?
Because honestly I can't comprehend why they don't do anything about it, surely they notice the same things us players notice, but are they scared of losing players if they make drastic changes, or what?
I mean there's probably an obvious reason here for what they're doing which I'm not aware of. What would be the point for them to just keep going the way they are, profiting, but knowing that their game will die pretty soon? Wouldn't it be better both for players AND business to start working on the game seriously rather than "well it's dying, might as well profit from it until it dies"?

[DarkstaR]

@DarkstaR (http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=2) I agree with pretty much all you said, but, do you think they will eventually try and turn things around? or just wait until the game dies and try to get the most money they can, and once tibia dies, start a new project?
Because honestly I can't comprehend why they don't do anything about it, surely they notice the same things us players notice, but are they scared of losing players if they make drastic changes, or what?
I mean there's probably an obvious reason here for what they're doing which I'm not aware of. What would be the point for them to just keep going the way they are, profiting, but knowing that their game will die pretty soon? Wouldn't it be better both for players AND business to start working on the game seriously rather than "well it's dying, might as well profit from it until it dies"?

It would be better, but I doubt they'll do it.

Also, on other thing I forgot to mention: GM's. Getting rid of GM's was stupid. I remember back when you set your bot to shut the fuck up, and die if needed, when a GM came around. No one fucking full afked like they do now. It was a really good way to rate-limit botters (not this retarded stamina shit) and keep advances due to botting down. All in all, botting helped kill this game (yeah, and look who's saying that), in that it leads to many of the points on my list. It's too late to turn back now, but they really fucked up letting it get here.

[Jah]

It would be better, but I doubt they'll do it.

Also, on other thing I forgot to mention: GM's. Getting rid of GM's was stupid. I remember back when you set your bot to shut the fuck up, and die if needed, when a GM came around. No one fucking full afked like they do now. It was a really good way to rate-limit botters (not this retarded stamina shit) and keep advances due to botting down. All in all, botting helped kill this game (yeah, and look who's saying that), in that it leads to many of the points on my list. It's too late to turn back now, but they really fucked up letting it get here.

Agreed to everything, except the stamina.
The stamina was introduced to avoid account-sharing, and it turned out pretty nice.

[Y2Quake]

DarkstaR, totally agreed with ur analizis.


if cip would read and listen what their customers said tibia would be a way better game.

but its to late to take rid of some big things as botting now.

[raiQi]

@DarkstaR (http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=2) I agree with pretty much all you said, but, do you think they will eventually try and turn things around? or just wait until the game dies and try to get the most money they can, and once tibia dies, start a new project?
Because honestly I can't comprehend why they don't do anything about it, surely they notice the same things us players notice, but are they scared of losing players if they make drastic changes, or what?
I mean there's probably an obvious reason here for what they're doing which I'm not aware of. What would be the point for them to just keep going the way they are, profiting, but knowing that their game will die pretty soon? Wouldn't it be better both for players AND business to start working on the game seriously rather than "well it's dying, might as well profit from it until it dies"?


I don't think they will just abandon tibia and start a new project, they would make a lot more money changing tibia seeing as there are so many players that has grown up with tibia and they won't leave no matter how much it changes.

[Kalkin]

I liked Tibia2 idea :]

[inco33]

I think 2-3 years, the graphics are ok some people like the style i certainly don't mind, but the reason tibia is failing is cause of us, now most fair players have left and all tibia has is machine vs machine, who has the better bot or who is a lifetime subscrber, unless cipsoft finds a way to stop the bots they might last a few extra years if not the game will die cause machines vs machine is not really that much fun XD.

after tibia dies, lets all just play a good OT :)
signed :)

[Abuse]

They need to scale all levels. Make new formulae, and let THE COMMUNITY step in and help them with changes. Then everyone would be scaled onto this new exp. Mauro might go from 650~ -> 450 or something. They would have to increase HP gain by a few after X level.

After that, they need to add some nice new areas that cannot be botted, must be hunted in teams etc~


and I agree with DarkstaR about the 3-D engine. Basically they need to eliminate botters (Funny saying it on a bot forum.) But in all reality, if we could play manual and have FUN, we would prefer that, no?

[Neverminder]

Well I haven't read the whole thread tho, but anyway just my sincere opinion on Tibia nowadays.

Well, I've been playing for about 6 years now with massive breaks in between but nevertheless, I've noticed the severe downfall. It changed so much since 7.8 it's insane.

3 main reasons:
1.) Botting lobby (come on, we can't deny it),
2.) Bad updates,
3.) Lack of new players, desperate CipSoft' moves to attract new customers*

*Just tried that new thing when getting out of Rookgaard, DAMN! Fo realz? I've x-logged after first 2 tasks. Seriously, wall of text and nothing really that would attract newcomer's attention.

It's sinking, Tibia's sinking badly! D: Seeing how much it changed in last 5 years, I'll give it 5 more years ... or less. No new players, old ones leaving.

[Avani]

I really hope there will be some sort of Tibia 2.0

Starting over, everyone level 0. and a new world to explore.

Well, i'll just keep dreaming ;)

[thorekz]

Facts:
- 90% of people who play Tibia are the same old mother fuckers that used to play more than 5 years ago, there's almost no new players.
- I'd say 80% of all tibian characters have been botted or shared.
- God damn I have play this game since 2002 and to me Ankrahmun still a "new zone", I dont even fucking know half of tibia right now.

Personal opinion:
I dont play tibia so much like I did years ago, but I come online sometimes to keep slaying dragons when bored and bot some characters, I do enjoy the graphics cause it brings back old memories but besides that theres nothing that attracts me to this game, not even making friends since everyone is botting afk. Saying that I estimate that tibia has left around 5 years top, if more I probably wont be here anyways...

PS: We all should have quit this shit a long time ago.

[debben]

It's an interesting topic indeed, I'd be guessing under five years as well.

I agree with Darkstar on what needs to be changed, however, I do like the 2D graphics.. feels a little indie somehow. I did enjoy client version 7.4 the most I think.

[Masinero]

I'd say 1-2 yrs unless they start improving on the graphics,most games coming out nowadays [for example grand theft auto 5] are almost the very same like real life but tibia is nothing like it.

[XtrmJosh]

The real truth of it is that Tibia isn't going downhill at all.

What is actually happening is your own mentality (and the rest of us, for that matter) is set on the current. Humans, as a species, do not like change. Therefore when things change, we are unhappy and we see it as bad. That results, overall, in us having the impression that the game is going downhill. That and the fact that no "new player" bothers to use the forum, I didn't use it in my first year of playing. This means that the forum is only used by us grumpy folk who think Tibia is going downhill 'cause it's changing...

People used to say the same about Habbo Hotel when I was a kid. I used to make radio station websites for some friends who played it and all I saw was the members constantly complaining that the game was going downhill and how 1hc is no longer worth what it used to be worth. The thing is, even 7 years later (yes, I played it 7 years ago xD) the game is still going stronger than ever. There are 5000 people playing at 12:15am. On top of that, their revenue in the last quarter was up 19% on what it was through summer (normally it's the other way around, but this year the build up to Christmas, and the paedophile problem which Moshi Monsters has faced has led to a massive increase in users).

Anyway, Tibia isn't really getting any worse, if anything it is getting better, we just can't accept that for the above reasons. Give it time, and you'll see the players increase.

[Neverminder]

The real truth of it is that Tibia isn't going downhill at all. What is actually happening is your own mentality (and the rest of us, for that matter) is set on the current. Humans, as a species, do not like change. Therefore when things change, we are unhappy and we see it as bad. That results, overall, in us having the impression that the game is going downhill. That and the fact that no "new player" bothers to use the forum, I didn't use it in my first year of playing. This means that the forum is only used by us grumpy folk who think Tibia is going downhill 'cause it's changing... People used to say the same about Habbo Hotel when I was a kid. I used to make radio station websites for some friends who played it and all I saw was the members constantly complaining that the game was going downhill and how 1hc is no longer worth what it used to be worth. The thing is, even 7 years later (yes, I played it 7 years ago xD) the game is still going stronger than ever. There are 5000 people playing at 12:15am. On top of that, their revenue in the last quarter was up 19% on what it was through summer (normally it's the other way around, but this year the build up to Christmas, and the paedophile problem which Moshi Monsters has faced has led to a massive increase in users). Anyway, Tibia isn't really getting any worse, if anything it is getting better, we just can't accept that for the above reasons. Give it time, and you'll see the players increase.

No offence, but dafuq did I just read? D: Seriously, Habbo Hotel?! Honestly, I've never heard of it, just googled it and seems like it's worse than Tibia ... And if you said there were some pedophile issues, well fuck that lmao, even Tibia hasn't got that far for pedophiles stalking youngsters. >_>

Besides, it might be just reluctance towards big changes, but the fact is that Tibia IS dying game. Now maybe, but just MAYBE guys @CipSoft are yet to realize that OR they already realized it and they're just keeping it alive so they can milk the ones that pay for premium features some more and eventually they'll start closing empty servers 1 by 1.

I mean come on!!! I've seen better scripted/mapped/whatever Open Tibia Servers than 'real' Tibia. CipSoft has income over 7kk€ per year and there's no doubt about it that Tibia is their main source. Of course, 7kk€ ain't pure income, lots of that cash is used to maintain all the servers and stuff, but still ... It's slowly, but steadly dying. :|

There was even a proposal on proposal boards (tibia.com) about merging the servers (which was rated as 'high potential' by Community Mangers). ''I wonder why ...'' People are leaving and some servers are just plain DEAD! So what's the point of keeping them alive then? It sure costs damn much to keep them online 24/7 constantly.

Must be one of these two mentioned above: 1.) They have yet to realize it 2.) They've realized it already and they're just happy as things are right now financially.

Meh, I don't care that much really. Last time I logged on was like half a year ago and I've checked recently added things on an OT (shadowcores).

It'll be interesting to see how much income CipSoft had in 2012. Every year, every company in Germany has to publish their financial state, so we'll see how will things turn out. It might be even better than years before, but seriously I highly doubt that. Lots of people already canceled their subscriptions reading tibia.com forums, so we'll see.

[XtrmJosh]

No offence, but dafuq did I just read? D: Seriously, Habbo Hotel?! Honestly, I've never heard of it, just googled it and seems like it's worse than Tibia ... And if you said there were some pedophile issues, well fuck that lmao, even Tibia hasn't got that far for pedophiles stalking youngsters. >_>

Besides, it might be just reluctance towards big changes, but the fact is that Tibia IS dying game. Now maybe, but just MAYBE guys @CipSoft are yet to realize that OR they already realized it and they're just keeping it alive so they can milk the ones that pay for premium features some more and eventually they'll start closing empty servers 1 by 1.

I mean come on!!! I've seen better scripted/mapped/whatever Open Tibia Servers than 'real' Tibia. CipSoft has income over 7kk€ per year and there's no doubt about it that Tibia is their main source. Of course, 7kk€ ain't pure income, lots of that cash is used to maintain all the servers and stuff, but still ... It's slowly, but steadly dying. :|

There was even a proposal on proposal boards (tibia.com) about merging the servers (which was rated as 'high potential' by Community Mangers). ''I wonder why ...'' People are leaving and some servers are just plain DEAD! So what's the point of keeping them alive then? It sure costs damn much to keep them online 24/7 constantly.

Must be one of these two mentioned above: 1.) They have yet to realize it 2.) They've realized it already and they're just happy as things are right now financially.

Meh, I don't care that much really. Last time I logged on was like half a year ago and I've checked recently added things on an OT (shadowcores).

It'll be interesting to see how much income CipSoft had in 2012. Every year, every company in Germany has to publish their financial state, so we'll see how will things turn out. It might be even better than years before, but seriously I highly doubt that. Lots of people already canceled their subscriptions reading tibia.com forums, so we'll see.

If you review your own facts you'll realise that the proposal which had been marked as having potential was one to merge empty game worlds, and use the server space created to make new ones. The real problem, in line with my previous post, is that people don't like change. As characters become higher level'd, they become less liked. Not everyone can keep up & they feel threatened. The intention of making new servers is to give everyone a "clean start", so people can be equal again. Problem there is they can hardly block transfers to the new servers forever. Anyway, that completely obliterates any reasoning which can come from that factor.

CIP isn't a big company etc, they are pretty small. Realistically what is likely to happen is that they will be sold to a developer who will resell through Steam or something similar. Look at Runescape, for comparison. It basically is Tibia, with the flash client, in 3d, and with a few extras like crafting etc. CIP will most likely implement crafting in the next 2-3 years, and as for 3d, well, that's inevitable. Shit's already been leaked for a 3d client (and I don't mean the joking image CIP released in April 2011). The fact is, though, Runescape is doing well and that really is shit compared to Tibia.

As for my comparison to Habbo Hotel, that just demonstrates that the internet goes on. I worked on fansites for it 7 years ago, when I was 15. I played it for about 6 months before realising how much money could be extracted from fansite development and new ways to implement WMP elements connecting to a hosted shoutcast servers. The fact is though, Moshi Monsters is the new Habbo style game. It's aimed at the same market as Habbo, and they recently had a paedophile scare (some info leaked about a guy who is currently in prison for attempting to conduct child trafficing, using Moshi Monsters as a first point of contact). What happened then is that Habbo Hotel took a massive boost and became a lot more popular all of a sudden. The same will happen to Tibia, it will take its dives, but it is stable in primary structure, so as soon as one of the other MMORPGs out there fucks up, people will come back to good ol' Tibia.

[Neverminder]

Another aspect ... Has anyone ever seen any Tibia advertisement?! D: I haven't seen it anywhere. Even Tibia Gold selling sites are advertising through Google ads on tibia related websites.

I guess marketing is another flaw @CipSoft department.

[iMike]

We all should meet in Germany, delete our accounts one by one and party with the money of our future premium time.
I think that would be more fun than botting this shit day by day, anyways, Tibia is my addiction, better than drugs, etc.

[PappaJona]

The problem is probably that there is not so much new players(or is it? i have no clue) and first time i sat down playing tibia i was boored already in rook but when i came to main holy mooly now that's a game (that was ~8 years ago) and i think the flash client has a great ui which it needs but i hate flash and i will never trust it...the windows/linux client need a complete revamp with new graphic engine so i don't have that 50fps max with a relativly brand new computer..

Anyways i think it has many years ahead but the botters will overcome the real players of this old goodie

[BigBratti]

Lets be completely honest if tibia is falling it's cause they are making it more "Noob" friendly like lets be honest when I came back from my 1.5 year break I was turned off right away with that whole swap function it honestly does more harm then good. I personally use it to trap lvl 80-150 knights at the sam shop and i'm not at the receiving end of this horrible function and I still dislike it. The whole tibia 2 idea is good how ever every update i've seen since god knows when have been horrible and low lvl based so i don't see them doing anything exciting with a second game. If cipsoft was smart they would instead of updating they would take it a couple of years back like 7.9 I think that would be their best bet i would love to run around tibia 7.9 stylles with mounts i think it would be rather epic.

[Gonza]

Take the whole game back to 7.9? that would suck.
It would be nostalgic for a lot of people, but at most 2 worlds, not the whole game.
Tibia isn't that bad as far as graphics go, at least in my opinion. Besides, tibia is not a game you play for the scenery or graphics, it's about the gameplay and community (or used to be) the relationships you build with people, such as joining guilds etc, which in my opinion seem to be doing bad, PvP has been almost destroyed by CipSoft, and that's been happening for a few years now.
Same thing goes for the whole community aspect of the game, there's little to no community "feeling" left in it.

XtrmJosh, I'd like to believe I'm not one to hate on changes, change can be good or bad, depending on what changes. For example in my opinion the graphics of the game are pretty good, even if outdated/bad compared to other games, and other features like for example mounts, even though people think it's just copying other games, I thought it was a good thing, and just other general small stuff they do that they don't often get credit for.
But you can't deny that the people over at CipSoft are going through something, what it is I don't know, they're probably just pleasing botters to keep their company afloat.

I see your point on there being no new players who use the forum, but I honestly have met VERY FEW people in the last 1.5 years who had recently started playing the game (I'm talking ingame here, no forums, not even the official forum for that matter)

And well, I honestly do see the game like it's going downhill, no new players (almost no new players, in my experience playing the game for years), very few updates please people, each and every day old players leaving, no sense of community, etc.
Whether the game is dying or not is subjective.

I don't know if these numbers mean anything to you guys, but the results were expected (I also don't know if this is a valid source for this type of information, even though it's google)
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#cat=0-8&q=tibia
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=tibia.com&cmpt=q

I hope what you said about it being sold to a developer or another company happens, I'd like to see what other developers do with the game, and more importantly if they listen to the community.

Recap: even though I said tibia was obviously dying, I now see that it's subjective, but it sure feels like it to me. I hope tibia gets sold to someone who listens a bit more to the players and they get rid of us botters.

[PunktG]

tibia going down ??
i read in last days that they do same profit like 2-3 years ago so amount of player go down but cip = cash
:)

[Neverminder]

i read in last days that they do same profit like 2-3 years ago

Could you provide a source of that statement? :eek:

[Necktra]

5 years more, with Cipsoft.

And when thoose 5 years have past and if no other company bought up the game, we will have a new era with OT and a even stronger OT community will be brought up with new possibilities.

[Pirate]

Could you provide a source of that statement? :eek:

I can't provide a source for him but if you look at the new features that 3 years we did not have, world transfer 30$, premium scrolls can be sold ingame so is like buying tibia gold but 100%safe, gifts when buying long premiums at certain time (mounts) they might have lost players but they found other ways to make money and am sure they will find more ways

so with less player cipsoft probably is making same money as when tibia was in its peak

[Nostrax]

I can't provide a source for him but if you look at the new features that 3 years we did not have, world transfer 30$, premium scrolls can be sold ingame so is like buying tibia gold but 100%safe, gifts when buying long premiums at certain time (mounts) they might have lost players but they found other ways to make money and am sure they will find more ways

so with less player cipsoft probably is making same money as when tibia was in its peak

U could be right on that point! And the more botters, the more accounts due to MC :)

[Pirate]

U could be right on that point! And the more botters, the more accounts due to MC :)

yes most botters have 3-4 accounts all premiums and buying scrolls from fair players and fair players buying scroll from cip it's all a food chain, now lets wait until cip starts selling addon items in their page for a few $$

[Beo]

I believe Cipsoft is trying to make the game worse so the players leave and then they can finally shut it down.

[hoodnasty]

I believe Cipsoft is trying to make the game worse so the players leave and then they can finally shut it down.
Lol, highly doubt it.

Tibia will be around as long as the money keeps 'aflowin.

[XtrmJosh]

No company would intentionally send itself to bankruptcy unless it was the only remaining option. The google results do prove that searches have decreased, but I consider that to be more of an emerging market showing itself. Things like twitter, facebook, and other social networks will counteract the requirement for google (there are more sources of hits, so google is less relevant). Could also note that 2007 was the start of the biggest recession ever to have impacted Europe. Also google adsense, which Tibia does use, dropped some multiple registers in 2007, Google also reduced some inefficiency in their monitoring scripts, so probably had some impact.

Tibia is getting more popular though, what with the new "test" servers bringing a lot more players, and the growth in optional PVP servers, there have been a definite increase in online players.

Olympa, for instance, has 500 people online at the minute. Secura has 750 or so. Aurora has 1150, Aurera has 950, and Antica has 600. Pacera has 700, Unitera 600... All these servers will reach a daily amount of at least these numbers, and on weekends it's not uncommon for there to be a waiting list for the option PVP ones. This demonstrates that in spite of your server having few people online, there are still a lot of servers which hold high amounts of players.

On top of that, the Polish community is one which often demonstrates strange habits in their gaming. Not entirely sure why, but a lot of people from Poland tend to search during downtime, meaning their hits don't get registered on google, this is normally late evening and early morning (11pm until 4am). At least once a week google experiences this downtime. Poland is the biggest market for Tibia, their highest hits come from there and as do most of the players.

[Avani]

I whish they merge empty servers anytime soon. I'm getting tired of playing on a 130 people server and transfers are quite expensive.

[Neverminder]

Hey hey! Another reason why Tibia's dying! Fair players are leaving due to weird CipSoft rule enforcement! D:

http://i.imgur.com/EXNX3.png

Source: http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&threadid=3883788

'i had 2 black friends' ... And nothing was said before or after that would 'deserve' 2 days of banishment.

Nazi much?! I loled hard. LOL

[Sspanky]

Hey hey! Another reason why Tibia's dying! Fair players are leaving due to weird CipSoft rule enforcement! D:

http://i.imgur.com/EXNX3.png

Source: http://forum.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&threadid=3883788

'i had 2 black friends' ... And nothing was said before or after that would 'deserve' 2 days of banishment.

Nazi much?! I loled hard. LOL

That's disgusting! How dare you admit to having 2 black friends! lol

[iMike]

So, how long do you think Tibia will be still alive nowdays?
@Avani (http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=9453) Worlds merging now :Pul 4 2014 -Game World Merge Announcement and New Worlds

[Spectrus]

Closed. Let old threads die please.