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Nykor
12-17-2012, 07:44 AM
I've been reading through a bunch of threads here, and it seems like iBot is getting used a lot here? I figured these forums were full of Xeno users, but I've heard a lot of good things about iBot being said here too. I have quite a few question, and I guess what I'm trying to ask is:

What are the benefits of each bot?
Why do you personally use the one that you do?
Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums?
Which bot has a brighter future?

I guess I'm just kind of alarmed to see other bots being used here, it seems kind of like Neo and Red, I always used Neo but heard great things about Red... On top of all of this, in the new year I'm planning on getting back into tibia myself, but all my accounts have been hacked. I'll be starting new, I have a strong scripting background... What to buy...?

Spectrus
12-17-2012, 08:20 AM
From what I've heard, iBot has dumbed down scripting which makes it a tad easier. Other than that, not sure on the benefits. Not very familiar with it. I would say that the disadvantages are many, though. For one, it costs more. Also, it's written in VB.NET (I believe?), which requires you to have the .NET framework. That's not really a problem, but it's something that Xenobot doesn't need. They do seem to have more well known scripters from Neobot's time, but the prices for scripts seem higher too.

I won't answer your second question, because it's obvious. I'm staff, and have been since before Xenobot even existed as a product.

We have iBot users on our forum because a lot of people use both bots. Also, we have some of the community from a general Tibia forum that no longer exists (tibiaug.com).

I would like to think that Xeno will come out ahead of iBot in the near future. Time will tell, but I'd say that DarkstaR is a better developer (trying not to be biased).

Y2Quake
12-17-2012, 08:29 AM
1 word answer the whole thread

guess which it is.

(tip: starts with xeno, and ends with 3 letters)

Pirate
12-17-2012, 09:39 AM
i prefer ibot for knights and xenobot for mages (they both suck for paladins), ibot lags frequently and xenobot is more confusing but more advance. Which one is better at moment in my opinion none but like someone above me said "DarkstaR is a better developer"

Gonza
12-17-2012, 10:22 AM
off topic question, hope you guys can answer.
Besides iBot and Xeno, are there any other popular bots? I remember when neo went down there were some others too, like redbot and another one that I cba to remember the name of.

Nykor
12-17-2012, 10:27 AM
This is some good information, it's nice to hear pros and cons from you guys, I always thought xeno was better, then I started seeing this stuff and I got confused aha. I think it's better to be a little more complicated in order to be more advanced, so I'm leaning towards xeno right now :)

Avani
12-17-2012, 10:34 AM
I think the reason why iBot has ALOT of great free scripts and Xeno doesn't is because iBot is alot easyer to script then Xeno. And i think, and hope, that Xeno will adept in a way that scripting will be less complicated in the future. Like making a backpack reset something like this:

ResetBP(all)
Minimize(all)

When there is less scripting involved there will be more script makers and more (good) free scripts.

Nykor
12-17-2012, 10:38 AM
So overall, same shit, ibot is easier to use?

Stusse
12-17-2012, 10:46 AM
From experiences iBot eats your CPU like a fucking fattie eats a birthdaycake.

However there are ofcourse advances/disadvances with both bots, however I prefer Xenobot.

Jah
12-17-2012, 10:48 AM
I use iBot more then Xenobot.
Tho, i hang around here because iBots community is shit.

Why i use iBot? Got more scripts for my paladin and mage.
For a knight i would Xeno probably, just because it's easier in-game then ibot is.

But in the end, they are both pretty similar and there are good/bad things about both bots.
Xeno's community will make me stay here, always.

Jordon
12-17-2012, 10:59 AM
I mainly use it because it is much easier to create my own scripts and edit as i go, instead of having a few notepads open to edit a mistake you can easily fix it on ibot.

basically all that spectrus said

Gonza Mainly the ones you said and there is blackd bot that is still being updated and free but not sure if its anygood

Jordon
12-17-2012, 11:00 AM
edit: sorry accidental double post

Y2Quake
12-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Gonza

there were many ye, the one u remember is probably KeraBot. The most fail bot ever

HAIL DARKSTAR.

L!p3
12-17-2012, 11:28 AM
The 'run away' target in Xeno is much better than Ibot.
XenoBOT lack some functions, and like pp said is harder than Ibot to create a script.
Ibot have special areas working, things like 'setsettings' which you can change everything without load other script and have multiple spells.
Xeno need a post with all functions and how that works.

Ps: I know some functions and others can be made by .lua.

Joey
12-17-2012, 11:51 AM
I'd say Xeno is really good when it comes to botting knights. Never tried Ibot, probably never will.


XENOBOT ALL THE WAY SON

kbzin
12-17-2012, 12:17 PM
I thought the same thing. It is really true, if you have a look at IBot, it seems to be easier to use and has some nice built-in functions, functions that we have to use scripts to achiv on xeno. I think xeno is more complicated to use and make scripts BUT i trust in DarkStark's work. DarkStar is always close to the comunitty and doing releases very often. He even explain some codes and show "why" in some casts. I see a lot of people complaining in IBot forums and not a single anwser from the owner. Maybe its just a matter of time till xeno be the best bot ever.

DarkstaR
12-17-2012, 02:45 PM
I think the reason why iBot has ALOT of great free scripts and Xeno doesn't is because iBot is alot easyer to script then Xeno. And i think, and hope, that Xeno will adept in a way that scripting will be less complicated in the future. Like making a backpack reset something like this:

ResetBP(all)
Minimize(all)

When there is less scripting involved there will be more script makers and more (good) free scripts.

Self.CloseContainers()
Client.HideEquipment()
Client.ShowEquipment()
Container.GetByName("red backpack"):Minimize()


We have all of these simple things. The "good" Scripters just don't know how to update their scripts and adapt to the system.


I thought the same thing. It is really true, if you have a look at IBot, it seems to be easier to use and has some nice built-in functions, functions that we have to use scripts to achiv on xeno. I think xeno is more complicated to use and make scripts BUT i trust in DarkStark's work. DarkStar is always close to the comunitty and doing releases very often. He even explain some codes and show "why" in some casts. I see a lot of people complaining in IBot forums and not a single anwser from the owner. Maybe its just a matter of time till xeno be the best bot ever.

I'm replying to you, but this reply is a bulk response to everyone talking about how much easier iBot is than Xeno.

The reason scripts are used for some features is because scripts are more customizable and extensible. You only have to write a script once, it's not like you have to configure it every time you use it.

Also, scripting for Xeno is very simple. Most people take the hard way. I can make, very elegantly, in a few lines of code, what most people do in 20, and that's because they do not realize most of the things they are doing can be done much easier. This is in part to people ignoring my recommendations on following proper standards. This is also in part due to Forgee and Sirmate libraries. The number one issue we've seen is errors relating to these two libraries. These are all user-made-issues. They are not problems with the bot. Most scripts I've seen that require you to use Forgee.lua don't even call a single function from Forgee.lua - they make you include it just because they are to retarded to realize they are retarded (and then they charge you money for these shitty scripts! The fuck?).

L!p3
12-17-2012, 03:02 PM
You only have to write a script once, it's not like you have to configure it every time you use it.

If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.


We have all of these simple things. The "good" Scripters just don't know how to update their scripts and adapt to the system.

It shows how hard it is. We're not "good" scripters, that's why many pp said Ibot is easier.


I can make, very elegantly, in a few lines of code, what most people do in 20, and that's because they do not realize most of the things they are doing can be done much easier.

Share with us! :D

DarkstaR
12-17-2012, 03:06 PM
If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.

Not really. You just make a better initial script. I have an exori/e-gran script that works at 10 different places.



It shows how hard it is. We're not "good" scripters, that's why many pp said Ibot is easier.

Most script aren't hard to make is my point.

soul4soul
12-17-2012, 03:29 PM
They are both easy to script. If people says it hard its because they dont know how to script and only manage to script by borrowing/editing other peoples code. In xeno its a tad harder to borrow code so they think its harder to script. My only problem with xeno is separate lua files which isnt a problem only an annoyance. Im hoping we get bult in scripts. one-liners are fine but they still dont work for scripts like attack area and soft boots changer. Once special areas are fixed I see xenobot as working well on knights and paladins. Im still not 100% happy using a mage with it. Maybe once I make a nice multi spell attack script ill change my mind.


If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.
Then your doing something wrong.

offtopic
User made libraries are great but people need to learn how to use them correctly.

SamDaMan
12-17-2012, 03:43 PM
I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

debben
12-17-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

Please share with us.

OnT:

I haven't tried scripting with Xenobot myself yet, but it definitely doesn't seem that hard.. the hard part would be getting a grip of the functions. However, this is a matter for all programming languages(classes as well of course).

PunktG
12-17-2012, 04:07 PM
all depend what you need and most important is first look , opinion

80% ppl think
Inject = ban

this is main reson why some othere bot is more popular

Nostrax
12-17-2012, 04:18 PM
Ibot has bigger scripters and better scripts for highlevels SO FAR

alltho I like Xenobot alot and the community is just great :)

Chaotic Deathcaster
12-17-2012, 04:40 PM
i use xeno, not because of any certain features or anything but i trust darkstar he knows what hes doing and id much rather use a bot where i can trust the person who makes it :P i have no clue who ibots owner is ( :

sirmate
12-17-2012, 04:56 PM
They are both easy to script. If people says it hard its because they dont know how to script and only manage to script by borrowing/editing other peoples code. In xeno its a tad harder to borrow code so they think its harder to script. My only problem with xeno is separate lua files which isnt a problem only an annoyance. Im hoping we get bult in scripts. one-liners are fine but they still dont work for scripts like attack area and soft boots changer. Once special areas are fixed I see xenobot as working well on knights and paladins. Im still not 100% happy using a mage with it. Maybe once I make a nice multi spell attack script ill change my mind.


Then your doing something wrong.

offtopic
User made libraries are great but people need to learn how to use them correctly.

Just use "TIMER_TICK" event and you can compress your Lua stuff into one file.

sirmate
12-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Also "problem" with Xeno is that people don't understand the logic of classes. The difference about scripting in XenoBOT vs iBOT and NeoBOT it's how functions (need to be used/are declared).
Let's get simplest example: Moving items.

Xeno:
You need to loop over all containers (construct object for each container), find your item in container (looping over all slots) and then call container function that is responsible for moving items into other container or ground.

iBOT and NeoBOT:
You call one function "moveitems" with proper agruments and it's done.

I know that you want to make Xeno somehow "flexible" or something like this but people want simple solutions or atleast huge base of examples as not everyone like/want to make actions by themselves.

soul4soul
12-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Just use "TIMER_TICK" event and you can compress your Lua stuff into one file.
Im am aware of this but its not what im looking for it still leaves with you with lua files separated from the xbst.

smeg
12-17-2012, 05:57 PM
I've been reading through a bunch of threads here, and it seems like iBot is getting used a lot here? I figured these forums were full of Xeno users, but I've heard a lot of good things about iBot being said here too. I have quite a few question, and I guess what I'm trying to ask is:

What are the benefits of each bot? Xeno is a bit cheaper then iBot, not only by the price of a subscription, but also because of the price most people ask for their paid scrips. iBot has better scripts that are free of charge than Xeno I'd say, don't know what's the reason for that though. What I dislike about iBot is that it kinda takes over your computer like Neo did aswell, so you are not able to chat with people or something while botting.
Why do you personally use the one that you do? not using any at the moment, but the last one I've used was iBot indeed, got redskulled on my mage botting with xeno so therefor I switched. So basically the lack of a script that would turn down the bot/client when I "accidently" fragged someone made me change. Also I have always had problems with the bp reseter etc. when I was using Xeno (was a while ago though, might have changed)
Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums? No matter what bot I am currently using I prefer to stick to the Xeno forums, since I prefer the people around here (generally speaking). To be honest I don't like to see 384 br threads on the iBot forums (no offence)
Which bot has a brighter future?

I guess I'm just kind of alarmed to see other bots being used here, it seems kind of like Neo and Red, I always used Neo but heard great things about Red... On top of all of this, in the new year I'm planning on getting back into tibia myself, but all my accounts have been hacked. I'll be starting new, I have a strong scripting background... What to buy...?

added some 'bold' answers, don't know if it makes any sense

XtrmJosh
12-17-2012, 06:43 PM
Here are my answers, being a member of XB forum since day 2 (I think - on my alt account, Josh). I've also scripted for BugWT using iBot for a long time, so I know that incredibly well. On top of that I've known Igor (Maozao, maker of Redbot) for a while, and seen him develop his programming over that time.

What are the benefits of each bot?
iBot is the most functional, by far. In spite of the fact that the other bots can do pretty much the same shit, it's a lot easier and more accessible. Unless you have a phd in lua scripting you won't be able to recreate an ibot script like for like on Xeno, or RedBot (though redbot again is slightly easier to script with than Xeno due to more accessible functions).

RedBot doesn't really stand out much, it's a good all round bot, but it doesn't have any spectacular feature which makes it better in any way, really. I guess the targetting is slightly better, but that was modified by Ekx, so it's no surprise that it's better, really.

XenoBot is by far the most noob friendly. Anyone can load it up, inject, run a script and load some settings. The downside of course being that in order to modify those scripts, you must have said phd in lua scripting.

Why do you personally use the one that you do?
I use XenoBot now, purely because iBot doesn't work on my computer. I don't know why, and nobody else shares the problem I'm faced with, so Jonatas is reluctant to spend time trying to fix it. He's sent me a few betas and tried a little, but as mentioned, it's just too much work for too small a problem. XenoBot would definitely be my recontamination to anyone who can script though, it's a bit more complex and slightly frustrating when you need to have a text editor and the client open, then execute and kill scripts each time you change something, but what you lose there you gain in people not fucking around once they have bought / downloaded a script. I always used to find myself (especially in Neobot) making stupid typing errors in functions, clicking a random place on the screen and tapping the @ key or something stupid by mistake. I don't do that with Xeno cause I'm rarely in the scripts, since they are out of the way. It's nicer in that way, and that's the biggest reason aside from iBot not working that I use it.

Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums?
As people said already, iBot is probably the most popular, but they need a community, so they come here. DarkstaR made TUGBot a few years ago, for a community TibiaUG, which disbanded a year or so ago after three of the most contributing users of the forum got accused of scamming by the owner of the site, and the group of friends we (I speak in first person because I was one of those 3 people) were playing with ended up giving up on the TUG community, as Neobot disbanded, XenoBot was made, we had a new place to chat, Xeno forums.

Which bot has a brighter future?
I think XenoBot will stand out once it has had a little work done. It could do with a few changes, like a simple "tool" to automount, the ability to pass variables as a string or integer as you like (aka ShopSellItems("Dragon Hammer") as opposed to Self.ShopSellItems(Item.GetID("Dragon Hammer"))) - These functions make it really annoying to script, and as some functions are part of third party libraries, they don't all require Self.~, so it gets even more confusing.

Overall, if you want a bot that's easy to use and you can't script very well, I'd recommend Xeno. I'd also recommend that you find a script seller, considering the price of scripts here is ridiculously cheap compared to the other two. If you want something you're used to, iBot is the thing, it's very similar to Neobot, and is suited to most people in that respect. It does, however, consume CPU like a whore (as people mentioned before). If you want something a bit different, I guess RedBot is your thing, but I doubt you'll appreciate anything about it, as you'll see its foibles and think why the fuck did I do this...

Luls
12-18-2012, 07:48 AM
It could do with a few changes, like a simple "tool" to automount

If I had the most recent version of Tibia downloaded I'd get a screenshot... Automount is seriously the easiest function to use with Xeno.

Also, wtf. You're always on skype, why not now? :(

Necktra
12-18-2012, 09:18 AM
I checked the iBot forum a day ago and saw a function that many did want, don't remember really what it was about. But in that thread, they had problem. They did discuss how to add the function without misclick and take skull/yellow. Since Xenobot does'nt simulate keyboard and mouse, it can't really do wrong, misclicking and stuff like that. And since it's not clientside detection, there is really no reason to have a bot that simulate mouse and keyboard - it only makes things harder and easier to fuck up.

I don't know if it's possible in iBot, but in Xenobot, you can actually inject the bot when watching Tibiacast. If you got a friend who are in a pvp situation and can't start his bot/mwall timer, or simply he don't use bot, you can help him with it by telling him if you're watching his cast. You can even making script in Tibiacast using Xenobot, which might help alot for people who want to make a high level script but don't have a high leveled char, or for people that want a personally script but don't know how to a script themself.

Pirate
12-18-2012, 09:35 AM
I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

it does have keyloggers

Apoc
12-18-2012, 09:36 AM
it does have keyloggers

Thats a risk, we all share ... :/

DarkstaR
12-18-2012, 02:25 PM
It seems that the big problem with scripting is just naming conventions. I like verbosity and separation of functions where, apparently, users like cluster fucks. I can easily make all item functions accept both names and id's, so I may work that in very soon.

Beo
12-18-2012, 02:49 PM
A problem Xenobot has, is payment options. People like to pay via phone etc, and even that does not support all countries.

I prefer paypal option, myself.

XtrmJosh
12-18-2012, 06:43 PM
it does have keyloggers

If you knew absolutely anything about bots, you'd know that a keylogger would be the most unnecessary thing in any bot.

You can actually do this right now, download and run cheatEngine, and attach to the tibia client, then search for a "string", and type in your password. It will come up in plaintext, do the same for your account name, oop, again, it's stored in your memory in plaintext. It can be read the exact same way that your health, mana, etc can be read.

The only reason people assume iBot contains a keylogger is because it uses a keyboard hook to check for user input and it delays / modifies certain functions to work around it, as a result of that I think one or two anti virus programs pick up on the fact that it is recording keystrokes.

XtrmJosh
12-18-2012, 06:45 PM
If I had the most recent version of Tibia downloaded I'd get a screenshot... Automount is seriously the easiest function to use with Xeno.

Also, wtf. You're always on skype, why not now? :(

Been at work all day, I'm probably overlooking it somewhere, and if it's a function I don't really need a demonstration anyways :)

DarkstaR
12-18-2012, 07:00 PM
It can be read the exact same way that your health, mana, etc can be read.

Wrong.

For health and mana, you read a static address and then XOR it with a value read from another static address - this is due to the encryption they added earlier this year.

For password and account number, you have to read a value (v1) from a static address (pointer to std::string pointer), read a value (v2) from v1 plus an offset (pointer to std::string buffer size), read a value (v3) from v1 plus another offset (pointer to std::string buffer). Now logic comes into play:

If v2 is less than or equal to 15, then v3 is our password/account name. If v2 is greater than 15, then we have to read another value (v4) from the address in the first four bytes of v3. Now v4 is our password/accountname.

XtrmJosh
12-18-2012, 07:13 PM
Wrong.

For health and mana, you read a static address and then XOR it with a value read from another static address - this is due to the encryption they added earlier this year.

For password and account number, you have to read a value (v1) from a static address (pointer to std::string pointer), read a value (v2) from v1 plus an offset (pointer to std::string buffer size), read a value (v3) from v1 plus another offset (pointer to std::string buffer). Now logic comes into play:

If v2 is less than or equal to 15, then v3 is our password/account name. If v2 is greater than 15, then we have to read another value (v4) from the address in the first four bytes of v3. Now v4 is our password/accountname.

Ok, drop the word exactly. If the account name or password is longer than 15 characters, it becomes a pointer and random memory is assigned with the pointer stored at the original location.

I guess what I'm trying to say, really, is that to get someones account info does not require any black magic, and if any player doesn't have UAC disabled, they won't have noticed that the majority of bots all have some form of keyboard hook (which may show up as a virus depending on AV software), and that most bots communicate with the web to check for updates & news etc, failing that just to do a check on the login information they use for their bots license time.

It would be incredibly easy for any bot developer to take control of all their users accounts, but all in all, it would also be wasteful considering that all the money they would make from the accounts & items would be virtually worthless compared to the real money they will make (which is already real money, so won't need trading) from selling the bot in the first place.

On top of that, if the developer were to try rebrand I'm sure people would catch on, so the same trick can't realistically be done twice, either...

Whoever
12-19-2012, 04:07 PM
Here are my answers, being a member of XB forum since day 2 (I think - on my alt account, Josh). I've also scripted for BugWT using iBot for a long time, so I know that incredibly well. On top of that I've known Igor (Maozao, maker of Redbot) for a while, and seen him develop his programming over that time.

What are the benefits of each bot?
iBot is the most functional, by far. In spite of the fact that the other bots can do pretty much the same shit, it's a lot easier and more accessible. Unless you have a phd in lua scripting you won't be able to recreate an ibot script like for like on Xeno, or RedBot (though redbot again is slightly easier to script with than Xeno due to more accessible functions).

RedBot doesn't really stand out much, it's a good all round bot, but it doesn't have any spectacular feature which makes it better in any way, really. I guess the targetting is slightly better, but that was modified by Ekx, so it's no surprise that it's better, really.

XenoBot is by far the most noob friendly. Anyone can load it up, inject, run a script and load some settings. The downside of course being that in order to modify those scripts, you must have said phd in lua scripting.

Why do you personally use the one that you do?
I use XenoBot now, purely because iBot doesn't work on my computer. I don't know why, and nobody else shares the problem I'm faced with, so Jonatas is reluctant to spend time trying to fix it. He's sent me a few betas and tried a little, but as mentioned, it's just too much work for too small a problem. XenoBot would definitely be my recontamination to anyone who can script though, it's a bit more complex and slightly frustrating when you need to have a text editor and the client open, then execute and kill scripts each time you change something, but what you lose there you gain in people not fucking around once they have bought / downloaded a script. I always used to find myself (especially in Neobot) making stupid typing errors in functions, clicking a random place on the screen and tapping the @ key or something stupid by mistake. I don't do that with Xeno cause I'm rarely in the scripts, since they are out of the way. It's nicer in that way, and that's the biggest reason aside from iBot not working that I use it.

Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums?
As people said already, iBot is probably the most popular, but they need a community, so they come here. DarkstaR made TUGBot a few years ago, for a community TibiaUG, which disbanded a year or so ago after three of the most contributing users of the forum got accused of scamming by the owner of the site, and the group of friends we (I speak in first person because I was one of those 3 people) were playing with ended up giving up on the TUG community, as Neobot disbanded, XenoBot was made, we had a new place to chat, Xeno forums.

Which bot has a brighter future?
I think XenoBot will stand out once it has had a little work done. It could do with a few changes, like a simple "tool" to automount, the ability to pass variables as a string or integer as you like (aka ShopSellItems("Dragon Hammer") as opposed to Self.ShopSellItems(Item.GetID("Dragon Hammer"))) - These functions make it really annoying to script, and as some functions are part of third party libraries, they don't all require Self.~, so it gets even more confusing.

Overall, if you want a bot that's easy to use and you can't script very well, I'd recommend Xeno. I'd also recommend that you find a script seller, considering the price of scripts here is ridiculously cheap compared to the other two. If you want something you're used to, iBot is the thing, it's very similar to Neobot, and is suited to most people in that respect. It does, however, consume CPU like a whore (as people mentioned before). If you want something a bit different, I guess RedBot is your thing, but I doubt you'll appreciate anything about it, as you'll see its foibles and think why the fuck did I do this...


BUg
sirmate
Can we have some verification of this claim?

XtrmJosh
12-19-2012, 07:12 PM
BUgWT
sirmate
Can we have some verification of this claim?

The BugWT Xenobot account is currently inactive, since we don't sell XenoBot scripts there is little point in Arv / Sah using it. Sirmate is probably inactive too, not seen him online in a long time.

If you remember the Neobot forums, you'll know me as Josh. I won a scripting competition and got invited to join the team. I've been with them for around 2 years (maybe more maybe less, not exactly sure).

You could also ask either HolmaN or probably even DarkstaR to confirm it, they both know me reasonably well. DarkstaR not so much, but I'm sure he's seen my activity on the Neobot forums if nothing else.

Also Luls can vouch for it, he's been a friend of mine since the TibiaUG community.

Anyway, who are you to question me?

Whoever
12-19-2012, 07:36 PM
XtrmJosh, who are you to make such claims without solid evidence?

and since you said you "scripted for bugwt using iBot for a long time", why are you afraid of anyone challenging that statement if it is true?

BUg
12-19-2012, 07:50 PM
yes josh scripts for us. He used to test a bunch of the scripts too.

PunktG
12-19-2012, 08:50 PM
XtrmJosh, who are you to make such claims without solid evidence?

and since you said you "scripted for bugwt using iBot for a long time", why are you afraid of anyone challenging that statement if it is true?
why you think he liee..
up you got profs :)

ps: hello Bug

RoxZin xD
12-19-2012, 08:54 PM
I was always dying-hard to test Xenobot, never used it myself on my PC, just watched it being used on an RL friend's pc, now that I have a lifetime license on another bot I don't rly need it anymore.

The most true fact I've read on this thread is that Darkstar is the best developer out of the 3 big bots. I really don't know why Xenobot doesnt have the biggest users because I didn't use it myself, so I can't say which is best between Xeno and iBot for example, but knowing Darkstar's work it can't be worse than iBot... even TUGBot was better than iBot to bot EKs, at least.

Out of the 3 big ones I'm suspect to say (I'll always say RedBot because... you know), but if I had tried Xeno a few months earlier (or even few months from now on, I think I owe that for the time using TUGBot, nothing better than doing a small contribution to its creator) I can answer that properly.

ferao2012
12-20-2012, 01:49 AM
What I miss on xeno is the availability of lua functions, iBot has many including reading channels, viplist related functions and many others that xeno lacks. Besides that I prefer xeno because I trust on darkstar's programming skills and xeno is injected it has a faster I/O and is not annoying as iBot, that steals mouse and keyboard, really this is pretty annoying.

Nykor
12-25-2012, 04:14 AM
Alright, so... after close consideration, I purchased Xeno :) I like a lot of the things that were mentioned about it, and i don't mind those little annoyances because I'm patient. I hope to be scripting here for a long time :)

PunktG
12-25-2012, 12:04 PM
Alright, so... after close consideration, I purchased Xeno :) I like a lot of the things that were mentioned about it, and i don't mind those little annoyances because I'm patient. I hope to be scripting here for a long time :)

hello then in great xeno comunity :)

moshis
12-25-2012, 01:37 PM
Alright, so... after close consideration, I purchased Xeno :) I like a lot of the things that were mentioned about it, and i don't mind those little annoyances because I'm patient. I hope to be scripting here for a long time :)

Welcome man! i'm new here, but it is really an awesome community! :)

Fuzzy212
12-25-2012, 01:51 PM
ive never used ibot but i have used Darkstar's work before in i think it was one of his first if not his first bot he made tugbot. so i trust his work and thats what made me decide xeno then anyother one

Nykor
12-25-2012, 06:41 PM
Thanks guys, it's a pleasure to be here :)