Not more than a week ago a 24/7 bot account of mine has been deleted. I'm not surprised though:p
What I would like to know is what Dark's thoughts are about this situation and if he could comment on this news.
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Not more than a week ago a 24/7 bot account of mine has been deleted. I'm not surprised though:p
What I would like to know is what Dark's thoughts are about this situation and if he could comment on this news.
Okay, let's examine all possible theories/info:
1) Cipsoft checks detected players manually (IP, Register data) to find the rest of their botfarms.
2) Cipsoft found a way to detect core functions of bots (would explain extremely fast deletions)
3) Reports are also processed in real time by Cip's GMs. Part of theory of deletions happening during Cip work time.
4) Anticheat tool got sharpened so much it detects innocent players who perform bot-like actions (Mendeel from Antica who got deleted for the third time. All he was doing was playing dice and writing ad msgs like bots do). One of my accounts was deleted day after using a simple script which was pushing items with unhuman precision.
5) There are still lots of players who hasn't been touched, even those who botted like mad with bad scripts. On the other hand there are players who are massacred by Cipsoft.
6) Deletion numbers are very irregular depending on server (there was a purge on Calmera where 1000+ characters were deleted in one day while there were worlds that were completely untouched)
7) On tibia.com there was a thread which was deleted really fast about banning being based on character messages.
In my opinion Cip found weak spot that all bots share + they try to eliminate big botters one by one using GMs. Our job is to find pattern as fast as possible. Don't let Cip win! We had them on knees already - "While we have struggled at times, we have never given up the fight against cheating." Make new accounts, report random fair players, mess with their tool! To war!
Not giving up, 13 account deleted of which 10 were premium. Just bought a decent VPN and will try again, if im not getting banned within a few days now then I can tell you that its for sure your IP-adress they are finding chars with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Relius
I was deleted yesterday on my moneymake on Motra. Acc was botted 24h/day so no big suprice(sadly i got here all creatures for yasir). What is interesting i got 3 accs. 1 was ofline while second was botting on ankrahmun scarabs at the same time. And only moneymaker get deleted (i must add that as soon i saw my char deletion i go ofline training with second one). But still it doesnt seems to be ip thing esppecially i don;t use any sandboxie or sth, my mc is mannulay made using hex neo.
Hey,
My acc got ban too :S I use bot only 3-5h a day. Never go down with stamina below 30h+Attachment 11165
Be care
I bot 3 accounts 24/7 that i made back around 5-6 months ago now from lvl 1-180+ i have also fallen asleep and left them running down to 13 hours stamina or less quite a few times and all are still ok.
Btw i bot all using MC on same pc, I log them all in at the same time each day and they run till they kicked on SS the next morning. Tho i dont use scripts from the forums i always use my own.
The only account i ever lost was a facc that i had for about 3 weeks and run it using free scripts on the forums.
Lucky you. The situation is really fucked for me at the moment. I have no idea why cipsoft is targeting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lonatic
Im not even a huge botter, I ran maximum 5 MCs at the same time.
They must really have some issues with me since I got deleted on 2 freshly made accounts yesterday, bought prem for them and only had them for 16 hours before they got deleted.
Anyway, im using VPN now and hopefully I wont get deleted on the new batch of accounts I created today.
@Nippe they just probably flagged your IP and when you run new accounts you light up as a christmas tree in their database.
Yup, I believe it is so, and right now hope it is so since it wont show my original IP anymore if they search for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perelman
And if that really is the case, a paid VPN is now pretty much a requirement for serious botting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
It has to be so, none of my accounts were registered, played on different servers, some were made months ago, some were made yesterday and deleted the same day, some had not been logged in to since 3 weeks. None of the accounts had ANY connection at all, randomized rumbers as password and account number, all had really different emails, none were registered, all botted on different scripts.
ALL of my accounts were deleted at the same time.
Now I will change my ip adress every time I login on tibia. Will be hard for cipsoft to track my accounts by doing so.
What scripts were you using? Did you use the same scripts on all/most the chars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
can anyone confirm the time of day they got deleted? was it during cip open hours?
lol yeah forreal was it while cip hours?
What bot were you using months ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
The situation on the new retro severs is without precedence. It's not like preview and not like the latest open pvp servers.
Having had nearly 40 deleted accounts in my experience I don't see IP address to be a contributing factor.
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Originally Posted by Relius
Sick amount! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Roarz
I used different scripts on all characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul4soul
I have never been deleted after cipsoft office was closed, earliest delete was 08:46 in the morning and the latest 15:12.Quote:
Originally Posted by secret121
I can confirm the times since I was actually making refillers when my chars got deleted. Was almost finished with my script when my char was teleported to temple and got deleted.
I was actually thinking the same, the system is not automatic, wont ban you in the middle of the night. Cipsoft is deleting when they come to their office.
well I guess you didnt have ALL of your accounts deleted within 34 hours, 5 of those account being created 16hours before deletion and few of the accounts havent been logged in on since 3 weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by sausting
Dude, something is weird here... I don't even know if I believe this story...
My thoughts are that indeed, they track by ip adres. Also, dont make a new bot account on the same email adres.
And indeed, we, the botting community, and afcourse the creators of bots like darkstar, alerdy had cipsoft on there knees. Now its the trick to find new methods to do so.
In my opinion there are some key factors that are in play:
I also got deleted on 2 accounts, both during cips working hours. I think this is an, according that many poeple had the same, they do it by hand. So, only botting besides working ourhs should make it a little bit saver.
Also, i think running the same script all the time makes it more likely to get "checked out".
And every char i ever heard got deleted, got deleted when it was online for so far i know. That means they also check it again after detection by hand. Bud, there is still a detection system, wich i think works togheter wich reports.
And where there is a system, there is something to break down!
#CipsoftHiresDarkstaR
http://forums.xenobot.net/customavat...tar1129_13.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by iMike
Okay guys, since I started using VPN I havent been deleted, Ill update here about what is happening. Im 99% sure they tracked all my accounts by my IP-adress.
Running 3 accounts at the moment, all premium.
My last 5 accounts was deleted 16hours after creation, these new ones have survived for 20hours now.
Yeah something is weird, I almost could not believe it myself when 5 freshly made accounts, all premium got deleted 16hours after creation, especially when ALL of my older accounts were deleted at the exact same second(I was watching the screen when the characters got logged out at the exact same time) just 20h before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by satoshi
I guess Cipsoft is up to something, and when they are, someone always has to be the first victim. I guess im one of the first?
By the way, for those of you interested, the amount of deleted botters shown on mrthomsen and that other site is not correct at all.
Only one of my 36 chars(the highest leveled one) was added to their websites. (from a total of 13 accounts, spread out over 3 different servers)
I have a theory here, maybe they only show one character per ip-adress on mrthomsen? Just so it wont be massive spam since alot of people have forexample 20 characters doing hellgate on the same account.
That could explain why only "Ne Su" from morta is shown deleted on mrthomsen while 10 of his hellgate accounts and a few botknights also was deleted.
How is mrthomsen getting their statistics? from Cipsoft?
I think alot fewer individuals are getting deletes than we expect, I guess cipsoft brag about their statistics because they take down massive botters like the hellgate daily taskers and people like me who usually run 5 mc at once. I guess they focuse on us since they dont have time to catch every single average-joe botting his only mainchar. I would not be surprised if the numbers they show on their website like "15.000" accounts deleted actually only is 2000-4000 invididual players but who has gotten deleted on 3-10 accounts each. When they add my accounts to their statistics, they wont say one player, they will add 13 accounts to their 15k deleted/month statistics even tho im just one guy.
They probably also catch peoples moneyholders by looking at ip-adresses, that could be why alot of people have been deleted on their moneyholders even tho they never transfered/parceled cash between botchars-moneyholder and just put it on the floor instead.
its xenobot. Use windbot and you won't get deleted in the beginningQuote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
i had the same, it is not ip related 100% sure
I lvled up 20 chars from lvl 1 to 8-30. They all got deleted on the same day though. Then i started to lvl up 20 chars with windbot, and they are now all level 80 botting them all at the same time always so 20 clients, and i didnt get deleted
as i mentioned in a previous post xenobot is really good to use if you are warring, pking etc. But sadly enough the cavebot side of xenobot seems to be detectable.
Also if you didn't do it yet: Try to use randomized e-mails, account numbers and password. You might get deleted on all of your accounts at once if you use like the same e-mail adres, or the same password
Haha, rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pietro1906
Good one! :P
Any other benefit to using windbot?Quote:
Originally Posted by jikoe
How can you say that Windbot is safer when I was reading their forum yesterday and ALOT of people complained that they got deleted on EVERY single account they owned during the last few days?Quote:
Originally Posted by jikoe
Alot of guys were pissed over at the windbot forums because they were deleted on 5-30 accounts each.
Before I got this mass-delete on all my accounts I was botting just fine with xenobot, didnt get a single delete in many months.
Yesterday I was even talking to Lucas Terra over a private chat (owner?/administrator) of Windbot, and he said that nobody knows how cipsoft is detecting people and that no bot is safe, not even windbot.
So please dont come here with your bullshit when you clearly know nothing about what is actually going on, doing so will only confuse people.
A theory why you got deleted on alot of your newly made accounts could be that you once were caught with a character running in a special pattern in a cave forexample, could be why many many got deleted for using infernalbolts rookgaard-main script. Cipsoft simply save this pattern that the deleted character has been using and simply match it with other characters doing exactly the same thing.
And when you switched over to windbot you started using a different script that was following/running in another pattern which cipsoft has not saved and wont detect.
Im not saying it is so, but it seems logical to me.
That Windbot is safer than Xeno is just bullshit. The amount of people getting banned with Wind is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by jikoe
@jikoe
Used windbot for a week to test it on a new character and I got banned in 4 days
Used xenobot for years and only been banned on one which was my fault
This is silly...
We pretty much know by now that the new generation of bots are ban-proof especially Xenobot from what I've gathered from his streams he put alot of effort in to it making it look as human as possible and that it's reports that get you banned
So since Xenobot has a relatively small userbase its only logical that we get the least bans... simple
Also we're a nice tight community and are generally more mature and smart about our botting habits which further decreases our ban rate
I used tugbot back in the day and for 20 hours straight it got stuck in a non-random loop then i moved onto neobot and oh my god atleast 2-3x a month the bot would start an infinite loop of banker/depositer/supplies and since i was busy back then it was usualy 12+hrs each time and even now with xenobot i've setup some scripts wrong and they have looped for hours and hours and im not banned...
I have even went as far as making my own trainer (before offline trainers) with autoit and never got banned...
So shut up about which bot is safer - they are all safe and darkstar puts a shit ton of effort into making Xenobot one of, if not the safest but then it's all down to the scripts you use and make and reports.
So how do you explain me getting banned on 5 accounts, 16hours after creation. All premium and botting in different spawns, different cities, no connection whatsoever. This was during night aswell, I was alone in the spawns and im sure nobody reported me.Quote:
Originally Posted by reecey
+ You cant be very smart if you say that all bots are safe when I made this thread cuz I was banned on 13 accounts.
So i can reply how do you explain me NOT getting banned? - Pretty shit argument isnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
The bots are safe - Xenobot very safe. The scripts are not Xenobot so i deem them not safe unless DarkstaR personally approved them.
I just think you are lying or over exaggerating the circumstances so just stop since it's almost a fact that reports = bans unless it's related to gambling or other special cases or im SURE more than 1-3 users a month have mass acc bans since alot of us bot 5+ accs 24/7
The scripts are as safe as they can become, I only use weak nodes, randomized timers at npc, only randomized waits. So dont come here and act like you know something, come back here and talk when you got banned yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by reecey
There are alot of people who never got deleted, and there are alot of people who has been deleted. Its all about who cipsoft chose to target, if they wanted to they could wipe most of the botters in one day, but they wont because if they did they would have to fire alot of people from their company.
If cipsoft paid me to take care of botters, I could ban thousands every day, completely wipe servers from botters. THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT.
No botters = no money
this thread has blown up since my last post so forgive me for skimming it, but you did not answer what bot you were using "months ago" since you only joined xeno last month. furthermore you havent specified what kind of log in details you were using ect. I too have been deleted on several accounts at the same time. A deleted 'batch' usually were all created on the same day within minutes of eachother and having very similar names. When I think of how they 'hand check' accounts I imagine the info is before them on the screen in some form of chart or spreadsheet where they will easily be able to see all the data fields of the accounts in question (ie, acc name, pass, creation date, email, registration, #/REPORTS, ect.) This of course is speculation but if you can imagine a scenario like this it would be blatantly obvious that the string of 8 accounts that all sit next to eachother on this database list all have very similar data fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
If it was simply by IP address surely they would have deleted ALL my accounts when they deleted the 6 + 5 accounts of mine (2 'batches' 2 different 'acc name runs') instead the other 20+ accounts that are turned on almost daily were untouched. This is why I do not believe IP is the single determining factor.
I have been using xenobot for a long time, but with a different login. How often do you change ip adress?Quote:
Originally Posted by sausting
I never changed mine before I started using a VPN yesterday, it has been the same since a year back. Maybe they gathered enough data coming from one single IP to just ban alot of accounts at once? If you change ip from time to time it would make their work alot harder.
Btw, the new batch of accounts I created rougly 28 hours ago has not been touched, seems to be safe using a VPN now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nippe
You are funny :P Can i borrow your tinfoil hat?