Always a risk with paypal.
Banktransfer is much safer.
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Always a risk with paypal.
Banktransfer is much safer.
Thanks for the fast answer :)
this is a simpel way just trade chars with people with rep on this forum like smeg, forestgump etc, then u might know they wont scam :p
the best way to sell in paypal is as a digital-goods, you either pay a small tax, or you can use a service like oronjo
Updated.
When the buyer is interested to buy your account, he must pay first before giving him the confirmation key ?
nvm...
Hints/Tips to new or "paranoid" traders:
You have every right to be paranoid! People act in self-interest, simple as that. The reason I am writing this is because I've been victim to scams my for many years, and have come to learn a few tips and tricks to help weed out the scammers. However, nothing can guarantee you a safe trade unless it is done in very specific and tedious ways that most people are unwilling to comply with. But here's what I think will help you...
PayPal: Concerns & Red Flags
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person doesn't want to send payment as a gift:
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person is not a verified member:*This is not necessarily a definite warning sign of a scammer, but usually anyone concerned with sending as an Instant Payment will either do one of two things: 1). act out of fear (which you don't want because this may lead to regrets or doubts), or 2) refuse to trade with you because you requested them send it as a gift and this can mean a many number of things as well. Sometimes people see "gift" as a sign of scamming. So, your request for this may be falsely interpreted. Just keep an open dialog and never force their hand.
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person is new or does not have a sales reputation:Warning! Get them verified. If they refuse, move on. Do not trade with unverified PayPal members, no matter what. To verify their account completely means they must confirm their bank account information and at least one credit card or debit card. PayPal requires real information from the person in order to verify their account. A verified member is less likely to be a scammer. Unverified members may hold brand new accounts, and this should definitely be of concern.
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person is avoiding you or replies slowly:Warning! This is quite obvious. Do not let them take advantage of your desperation. I've seen so many good people desperate to make a sale or purchase and end up manipulated by some new member whom turns out to be a scammer. Notice I mention a "sales" reputation because it's easy to buy something. It's not as easy to sell something and keep your end of a deal, especially when it comes to characters, that require 31 days of waiting.
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person is simply acting suspicious or rushing things:Warning! Do not fall for the, "I'm busy.", "Sorry, wasn't at home.", or plain ignoring of messages bullshit anyone may pull on you, particularly if they have no trade history or reputation on the forum. This doesn't mean they're scammers but a lot can be learned about a person when you consider their behavior. A person that wants to trade will make the time to trade, just like a girl you ask out will make the time to go out with you, even if she's currently busy. :cool: Of course, there's always the possibility someone may actually be busy. But if they are interested, they will set a time to talk.
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person will not use a middle man of any kind:Warning! For the love of God, do not trade with anyone that is acting suspicious or rushing the trade, especially if they do not have a solid reputation. I've seen so many people be scammed by others because they were manipulated into thinking they had to go or they'd lose out on the deal. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ANOTHER DEAL! DO NOT RUSH YOUR TRADES! Take the time to consider the situation and make the best decision.
http://i60.tinypic.com/mhsfhw.png The person will not use other payment methods:Warning! This is another obvious one, especially if they do not have a trade history to uphold their claim of being trustworthy. I recently avoided a trade because I did not want to pay for a middle man. Does that make me a scammer? No, of course not. But I have a pristine trade history. If someone does not agree to a trustworthy middle man, do not trade with them. Also, NEVER allow them to choose the middle man alone. Choose one together. If they do not agree with those terms, simply end the conversation and move on. Leave them with the option of collaboratively deciding on a middle man and say your goodbyes. It's not worth the risk.
Warning! If they won't use any other payment methods, and also do not have a trade history, you should probably avoid trading with them. This does not mean they are always scammers, but it does mean they are not willing to negotiate and work with you. All parties involved in a trade (of any kind) should mutually benefit from said trade. You will always find another person to trade with. It's definitely worth waiting for the right person.
So, in the end, is this a full-proof system? No, but following these tips will surely help you avoid at least 50% of the scammers out there, putting the odds in your favor. If you need help with a trade, or want further advice, feel free to send me a private message. I'm planning to start a commission free middle man service myself to help deter scamming. Keep an eye out for that thread. :cool:
*Unverified members have another option known as MoneyPak. It is a prepaid card they purchase at the store and use through PayPal. It cannot be charged-back as long as they enter a valid confirmation number and send the payment properly. It should instantly arrive in your account. This should be seen as a last resort, and you should not deliver until the payment goes through.
GJ J.Dre
As far as I know the most effective way to chargeback money on PayPal if it is sent as payment for family/friends (gift) is to chargeback the initial payment from creditcard/bank account. If the paypal user is unverified wouldn't that actually make it less riskfull since he/she wouldn't be able to pull the creditcard/bank account chargeback?Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Dre
P.s. This doesn't apply to payments sent as goods/services ofcourse.