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Originally Posted by Veela

@J.Dre

Yes I do... Cause some well respected members have already done that. Did you fail to realize that? I can name at least 3 that have scammed after "building up a rep"
Of course it wont decrease the chances of scamming, it always happens and always will. People do whatever they can to make a quick buck sometimes. You are right with the liability issue, but it still looks bad.

There are points in your case that make perfect sense and would benefit SO MUCH. But then there are opposite points that make it seem illogical. As a whole it's an admirable concept, but doesn't seem to fit in.

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That is irrelevant to this discussion because the argument here is about the liability brought to XenoBot staff. Nobody blames XenoBot staff for those scams.

Outliers exist in every case, in every scenario, in every part of life. You can't deny a system that will benefit hundreds or thousands of members because 2-3 people don't meet the criteria. Imagine the benefit over time this system will have. We're talking, potentially, years of prevented scams and tens of thousands of dollars saved (or more). It would be foolish not to implement this system.

EDIT: It's better than doing nothing. Read this scenario and you will hopefully understand.

I doubt a flourishing trading community has any significant effect the number of bot licenses sold, which is the only thing that really matters. From the staff's point of view there's much to lose and nothing to gain by vouching potential scammers. Implementing such a system would be foolish.

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Originally Posted by J.Dre

That is irrelevant to this discussion because the argument here is about the liability brought to XenoBot staff. Nobody blames XenoBot staff for those scams.

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Actually, it is totally relevant. No one blamed us, because we never sent the people to their direction. However, if this system would be implented, we, the staff, would be the ones making them use their middleman service by giving them the apporoved middleman title. Someone can make 50 small trades, and when he has that title he can middleman like 5-10 trades at the same time, and take the jackpot. This system would be so easy abusable.

Anyway, as been said by Luls, I appreciate you putting all those efforts in the trading section and you trying to make it a better place. I just don't think this idea will work.

http://www.epicnpc.com/forums/59-Middleman-Services
http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/37991...me-a-middleman
http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/37858...group-Benefits

I'm guessing @J.Dre got the idea from EpicNPC, here is proof it's working. Verified membership is required over there though. (10$ payment through paypal, verify phone number and send in a picture of your ID with matching paypal name)
You'd have to copy their entire system to make it work. I've been on Xenobot and EpicNPC for about 2 years now, I've done about 10 deals on xeno and 5 deals on epicnpc so far.
Most people who will reach 50 feedback will be resellers, saying people will wait 1 year and build up their feedback score with the intent to scam someone is fucking ridiculous. Not to mention middleman services will also be a source of income.

There is a lot to gain and only time to lose.

Well, I've done more than enough to express why this will help. Not sure what else I can say to convince you. I'll let the Admins decide now. I'm assuming because DakrstaR doesn't like me, he will probably ignore this altogether, which is fine. But I'm only trying to help, and that's all I've ever done. It is clear it works, and it is clear we need something that works.

All I see are excuses as to why it won't work and nobody attempting to discuss changes to the system to make it work. It's not all about money. Money will come when XenoBot has a better reputation built on smart systems because it will attract more users to the forum. More members = more sold licenses. This is simple game theory in a competitive market.

I've got classes today, so I'll be busy. Send me a PM if you want to discuss solutions to the issues you claim will arise. I've also come up with three other ways this particular system will help, but I'm not interested in wasting more time on my cell phone :p debating what's evidently a plausible solution in helping deter scams. I appreciate all of you taking the time to respond to my suggestion this time. Being ignored is hurtful. So, thank you for that. ;)

@Luls, @Messed Around, @Infernal Bolt, @Aydin,

I'd like to make another suggestion. This time I'll keep things simple: ;)

Simply put, I'd like to suggest a new sub-forum for the trading area specifically for feedback / reputation threads. Instead of leaving the trading area to go to "Chit Chat" or another discussion section to make a thread of your "trade history," I feel a sub-forum should exist for said purpose, as it is directly related to the trading area.

Anyway, that pretty much sums it up. Wanted to keep things simple. Hope that's simple enough.

Thanks,

J.Dre

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Originally Posted by J.Dre

Simply put, I'd like to suggest a new sub-forum for the trading area specifically for feedback / reputation threads. Instead of leaving the trading area to go to "Chit Chat" or another discussion section to make a thread of your "trade history," I feel a sub-forum should exist for said purpose, as it is directly related to the trading area.

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@DarkstaR would have to handle this as none of us have the access to be able to add sub-forums or even remove them.

Yeah what @Messed Around said. Would be nice though.

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Originally Posted by J.Dre

@Luls, @Messed Around, @Infernal Bolt, @Aydin,

I'd like to make another suggestion. This time I'll keep things simple: ;)

Simply put, I'd like to suggest a new sub-forum for the trading area specifically for feedback / reputation threads. Instead of leaving the trading area to go to "Chit Chat" or another discussion section to make a thread of your "trade history," I feel a sub-forum should exist for said purpose, as it is directly related to the trading area.

Anyway, that pretty much sums it up. Wanted to keep things simple. Hope that's simple enough.

Thanks,

J.Dre

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Call me crazy, but wouldn't the "Trading Verification" sub-forum work?

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Originally Posted by Luls

Call me crazy, but wouldn't the "Trading Verification" sub-forum work?

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Hi Luls! :)

Technically, any section can "work" but that doesn't make it appropriate. The trading verification has its own purpose, and does quite well for that purpose. Mixing things up just makes a mess and may make things complicated, in regards to bumping and burying verification threads with "feedback/reputation" threads regarding trade history and recommendations.

Doing is one thing, but doing it right is a whole different story.