Secret of Gold Making(?)

Greetings!

We all know that the amount of control and power equals the number of gold coins you've on your bank. This is true both in the game and in real life. For many experienced botters gold doesn't seem to be a problem, but there are always exeptions, players who struggle with making their pile of gold grow. I know, I'm one of them.

But not even the richest player started somewhere; collecting and selling items from the floor, making tons of runes to high leveled players, buying items cheap and selling them expensive or simply having the most incredible luck on their hunts...


What's your story?
-How rich are you?
-How big is your gold income?
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
-What's the secret behind your success?

I'll start :D

-How rich are you?
35K on the bank and perhaps 500k in items if I am lucky.
-How big is your gold income?
I rarely profit, even tho I'm a level 190 RP.
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
Yes, on hunts.
-What's the secret behind your success?
I wouldn't call it success...

How rich are you?
Not sure really.
How big is your gold income?
Not sure there..
Do you waste alot of gold?
No, I bot lots of chars to sell gold to RLs etc.
What's the secret behind my success?
I bot shit loads of FACC chars, and being FACC is free, right? :)

What's your story?
[I]-How rich are you?
-How big is your gold income?
5kk/day+
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
nothing
-What's the secret behind your success?
dicing

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Originally Posted by jikoe

What's your story?
[I]-How rich are you?
-How big is your gold income?
5kk/day+
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
nothing
-What's the secret behind your success?
dicing

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Dicing? As in gamble or are you being the "house" in this case?

ofc HOSTING dice is the only way to profit on DICE

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Originally Posted by Sir Queos

Greetings!

We all know that the amount of control and power equals the number of gold coins you've on your bank. This is true both in the game and in real life. For many experienced botters gold doesn't seem to be a problem, but there are always exeptions, players who struggle with making their pile of gold grow. I know, I'm one of them.

But not even the richest player started somewhere; collecting and selling items from the floor, making tons of runes to high leveled players, buying items cheap and selling them expensive or simply having the most incredible luck on their hunts...


What's your story?
-How rich are you?
-How big is your gold income?
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
-What's the secret behind your success?

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What's your story?
-How rich are you?
I peaked at around 60kk.

-How big is your gold income?
It peaked at around 20kk/week.

-Do you waste a lot of gold?
Yes. I used to spend most of it on PGing noobchars at OP spawns.

-What's the secret behind your success?
I used to run an EK at level 250 and an ED at level 220, and whenever I needed cash I'd take them to high value hunts (walls, inq bosses, hffs, etc).

bot 20 accs and ur rich.
gl

Well, I stopped botting for now but I will tell my story anyway.

How rich are you?
Right now I have only 50kk~ but at one time I had 100kk+.

How big is your gold income?
Mmmmm, before they started to delete my characters I peaked at 35kk/10 days.

Do you waste a lot of gold?
Nope. When I was playing manually I rather prefered to earn even more gold with my rp. Greed, you know. And even if I went on a waste hunt, it wasn't affecting my balance much.

What's the secret behind your success?
Botknights. Many botknights. A whole legion of botknights. I was mainly botting on a free account area, but I had some accounts on premium, too.

All began in Carlin depot. I had a bear paw and some other crap in my locker that I sold in order to get a war hammer and plate set for my "ancient" knight that I had there, then I started botting at Carlin ghostlands. I created more characters and so it continued until today.

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Originally Posted by sausting

ofc HOSTING dice is the only way to profit on DICE

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no it's not

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Originally Posted by raiQi

no it's not

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you must go to the casino

With a proper system and an un-rigged casino, it is possible to profit off casinos. I used to profit 2kk/3kk a day from dice casinos if I had the time to sit and play. It's simple. Bet minimum on opposite of what is showing. If low is showing, bet High. This will make sure you are already beating the odds. If low was the last roll then rolling low again is already down to a 25% chance (50%h 50%l from last roll. Now 50% of the 50% from previous roll is 25% to roll same thing twice in a row.).

Ok so the dicer did roll the same thing again, 2 lows in a row. NP. Just double your bet and bet the same thing again (H). Odds of rolling same thing 3 times in a row is even lower. If he does, just repeat again, always making sure your current bet will cover all previous bets and that you are always betting on the same until you do win. This will ensure that when you do win you will always be profiting.

Only reason dicers are able to exist is people go in betting without thinking. If you are just randomly choosing h/l, the dicer will have the advantage because he is paying out only 90% in most cases, leaving 10% profit (assuming everything goes 50/50, wins/losses).

I have no problem telling people this now as I will no longer use casinos without the actual dice. Its too easy to make a rigged script when just using a random number generator as your dice. The scripter can put in their code if my losses are any more than 1/2 my wins then if player says high, roll a random 1-3 number.

Regards,
O4T

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

Ok so the dicer did roll the same thing again, 2 lows in a row. NP. Just double your bet and bet the same thing again (H). Odds of rolling same thing 3 times in a row is even lower. If he does, just repeat again, always making sure your current bet will cover all previous bets and that you are always betting on the same until you do win. This will ensure that when you do win you will always be profiting.

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gamblers+fallacy#

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Originally Posted by sausting

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gamblers+fallacy#

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Lol? Take a dice and try to roll high 10 times in a row (its probably about 10 tries before you reach dicers max bet at which point you will risk not profiting). Try this 1000 times and tell me how often you succeed to roll high 10 times in a row. I'm willing to bet its going to be a very low %. Probably not even 1%. Let me know, ok?

Yes, each roll is 50% chance high or low, but chances of repeating are also 50% between each roll.

I told you how to win (with a non rigged dicer). If you don't believe this then too bad for you.

Thanks,
O4T

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

Yes, each roll is 50% chance high or low, but chances of repeating are also 50% between each roll.

I told you how to win (with a non rigged dicer). If you don't believe this then too bad for you.

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Did you even read the search results?
" such as the classic gambler’s fallacy that a run of “heads” means that a “tails” is now more likely, when in fact the 50:50 odds of “heads” or “tails” have not changed."

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Originally Posted by sausting

Did you even read the search results?
" such as the classic gambler’s fallacy that a run of “heads” means that a “tails” is now more likely, when in fact the 50:50 odds of “heads” or “tails” have not changed."

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I'm not quite following what you are trying to say, sorry.

Chances of rolling heads or tails will always remain 50% for that roll, but the chance of it happening 10 times in a row is unlikely.

Like I said before, when I did have time to sit and play the dice casinos for a while, I would profit 2kk-3kk / day. I have never wasted using the method I explained.

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

This will make sure you are already beating the odds. If low was the last roll then rolling low again is already down to a 25% chance (50%h 50%l from last roll. Now 50% of the 50% from previous roll is 25% to roll same thing twice in a row.).

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"A study has identified a region of the brain that appears to play a critical role in supporting the distorted thinking which makes people more likely to gamble because they mistakenly think they have a better-than-average chance of winning."
i used underlines for you

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Originally Posted by sausting

"A study has identified a region of the brain that appears to play a critical role in supporting the distorted thinking which makes people more likely to gamble because they mistakenly think they have a better-than-average chance of winning."
i used underlines for you

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But, I'm not mistaken on my better-than-average chance of winning. I do have a better than average chance of winning. As I said, I have never wasted using the explained method.

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

I'm not quite following what you are trying to say, sorry.

Chances of rolling heads or tails will always remain 50% for that roll, but the chance of it happening 10 times in a row is unlikely.

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What he's trying to say is that each roll does not effect the previous or next roll.

The fallacy here is believing that the next roll will be different than the previous roll when in reality it has no bearing on what's to come. Now if a load of highs have been rolled then the chance of the next roll being a high or low is the same, but overall if we were to do a hundred rolls then it may appear to be more likely to have a low after a high streak but it's still purely random.

By doing a system of betting double after an incorrect high/low and opposite of what was previously rolled you are simply just picking one and committing to it, if it's wrong again and you commit to it again and double eventually you can win profit back, there can rare cases though where you can lose all your money doubling your bets and losing 5/6 times in a row, this is why some casinos chose to have low limits such as 500k.

The playing again after a loss with over a double of the lost value technique does work, but you have to be patient and to not try to get greedy, it is an easy way to make quite a bit of money if you have the time and the initial investment capital.

@sausting @only4tibia

There is only 1 way to clear this up! Mano y mano!

Find an OTserver or something, play vs eachother, sausting will be the house. Record if possible :)

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

With a proper system and an un-rigged casino, it is possible to profit off casinos. I used to profit 2kk/3kk a day from dice casinos if I had the time to sit and play. It's simple. Bet minimum on opposite of what is showing. If low is showing, bet High. This will make sure you are already beating the odds. If low was the last roll then rolling low again is already down to a 25% chance (50%h 50%l from last roll. Now 50% of the 50% from previous roll is 25% to roll same thing twice in a row.).

Ok so the dicer did roll the same thing again, 2 lows in a row. NP. Just double your bet and bet the same thing again (H). Odds of rolling same thing 3 times in a row is even lower. If he does, just repeat again, always making sure your current bet will cover all previous bets and that you are always betting on the same until you do win. This will ensure that when you do win you will always be profiting.

Only reason dicers are able to exist is people go in betting without thinking. If you are just randomly choosing h/l, the dicer will have the advantage because he is paying out only 90% in most cases, leaving 10% profit (assuming everything goes 50/50, wins/losses).

I have no problem telling people this now as I will no longer use casinos without the actual dice. Its too easy to make a rigged script when just using a random number generator as your dice. The scripter can put in their code if my losses are any more than 1/2 my wins then if player says high, roll a random 1-3 number.

Regards,
O4T

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You my friend are wrong. (if this wasn't a computer game). Take a statistics class and learn something. This is called the "gambler's fallacy". And I will simplify it.

What are the odds of flipping a coin heads or tails? ----50/50

Now look at the results of 10 flips..
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails

Now comes the 11th flip... what are the odd it hits tails? 50/50 still.. previous flips have absolutely nothing to do with the previous one. The coin will always be flipped and always have a 50/50 outcome... same with an actual dice (in RL)

The odds of a dice are set, same as the odds of a quarter. If someone told you hey, this quarter has been sitting here for two years, but the last time it was flipped it hit heads ten times in a row, would you give two fucks? Or would you just make your 50/50 bet?

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Originally Posted by Brute

You my friend are wrong. (if this wasn't a computer game). Take a statistics class and learn something. This is called the "gambler's fallacy". And I will simplify it.

What are the odds of flipping a coin heads or tails? ----50/50

Now look at the results of 10 flips..
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails
Tails

Now comes the 11th flip... what are the odd it hits tails? 50/50 still.. previous flips have absolutely nothing to do with the previous one. The coin will always be flipped and always have a 50/50 outcome... same with an actual dice (in RL)

The odds of a dice are set, same as the odds of a quarter. If someone told you hey, this quarter has been sitting here for two years, but the last time it was flipped it hit heads ten times in a row, would you give two fucks? Or would you just make your 50/50 bet?

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Like I said earlier, take a dice in tibia and try to roll it high 10 times in a row. Do this 1000 times and let me know how often you succeed. I bet it wont be 50% as you claim it should be. It will be more like 1%. Yes like you said its 50/50 that the dice lands on high or low, but the chances of it doing the same 10 times in a row is unlikely. Do this experiment before you post stupid shit like this. Both you guys come saying I am totally wrong, but I have cleaned dicers many times doing what I have said and I have never once failed to profit at dicers.

I won't answer anymore on this . I told you how to win at dicers. If you don't want to use it then that's fine. I couldn't care less. One quick question though, both of you guys are using a dice script right? XD

Regards,
O4T

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

Like I said earlier, take a dice in tibia and try to roll it high 10 times in a row. Do this 1000 times and let me know how often you succeed. I bet it wont be 50% as you claim it should be. It will be more like 1%. Yes like you said its 50/50 that the dice lands on high or low, but the chances of it doing the same 10 times in a row is unlikely. Do this experiment before you post stupid shit like this. Both you guys come saying I am totally wrong, but I have cleaned dicers many times doing what I have said and I have never once failed to profit at dicers.

I won't answer anymore on this . I told you how to win at dicers. If you don't want to use it then that's fine. I couldn't care less. One quick question though, both of you guys are using a dice script right? XD

Regards,
O4T

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Sorry, just had to give my 2 cents

look up mutually exclusive events, the 10 tails in a row is just as likely to happen as say this combination H,T,T.H,T,H,H,H,T,H

In the same way you could pick the first 7 numbers in the lottery and have the exact same chances of winning as if you picked any other combination or your birthday numbers or what not.

Personally I believe tibia use a random generator for dice as this would be simpler then having a sequential pool of numbers to be drawn on and create a pattern

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Originally Posted by auto

Sorry, just had to give my 2 cents

look up mutually exclusive events, the 10 tails in a row is just as likely to happen as say this combination H,T,T.H,T,H,H,H,T,H

In the same way you could pick the first 7 numbers in the lottery and have the exact same chances of winning as if you picked any other combination or your birthday numbers or what not.

Personally I believe tibia use a random generator for dice as this would be simpler then having a sequential pool of numbers to be drawn on and create a pattern

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I know I said I wouldn't comment anymore on this but I had to for this one.

Lets look at one roll only.

h l - 50% chance betting, ok.

Lets look at 2 rolls.

ll lh hl hh - Still 50% chance of him rolling 2 lows?

You may say the last 2, hl and hh doesn't count as he already rolled l the first time. They wouldn't for an individual roll, but they do count for the total outcome of 10 dice rolls in a row.

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

I know I said I wouldn't comment anymore on this but I had to for this one.

Lets look at one roll only.

h l - 50% chance betting, ok.

Lets look at 2 rolls.

ll lh hl hh - Still 50% chance of him rolling 2 lows?

You may say the last 2, hl and hh doesn't count as he already rolled l the first time. They wouldn't for an individual roll, but they do count for the total outcome of 10 dice rolls in a row.

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Chance of rolling 2 lows at row is 25% same as rolling lh, hl or hh

As has already been pointed out, each pair of rolls is equally likely. the same would be if you rolled 3 times the possible outcomes are
LLL HHH
LHL HLH
LHH HLL

each are equally likely to occur, there is the SAME chance to sequence HLL as there is to go LHH.

"Successive rolls are independent;
knowing we got H on the first roll does not help us predict
the outcome of the second roll."

Until you have this down, I'd steer clear of slot machines.

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Originally Posted by only4tibia

I know I said I wouldn't comment anymore on this but I had to for this one.

Lets look at one roll only.

h l - 50% chance betting, ok.

Lets look at 2 rolls.

ll lh hl hh - Still 50% chance of him rolling 2 lows?

You may say the last 2, hl and hh doesn't count as he already rolled l the first time. They wouldn't for an individual roll, but they do count for the total outcome of 10 dice rolls in a row.

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You are wrong, he is right - sorry about that :( Chances of rolling HIGH or LOW is always 1/2. Rolling something ie. 10 times in a row is smaller - (1/2)^10 as long as all rolls are unknown, if you already know what you rolled, (let's say you rolled 'high' 9 times in a row) then rolling 'high' 10th time will still be 1/2.

Just to shed some light on exactly how great your chances are of winning anything, the lottery results are just as likely to be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 as they are to be any other sequence of numbers (UK lottery is 6 numbers chosen by RNG).

The real issue here is that in doubling your bet each time your chances of winning are, although still 50/50 *for each roll*, at much higher risk.

Sample casino: Minimum bet: 2k, maximum bet: 200k.

2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, oh shit we've run out of bets to place.

That means you get 6 chances to win at 50/50, before your bet caps out. What this means in reality is that you have a 50/50 chance of winning 2k, but also a 50/50 chance of losing 254k.

On the whole, however, your chances of winning do not remain at 50/50. For each consecutive roll the overall probability of winning increments gradually like so:

First roll: 50/50
Second roll: 66/33
Third roll: 75/25
Fourth roll: 80/20
Tenth roll: 90/10
Twentieth roll: 95/5
Fiftieth roll: 98/2
Hundredth roll: 99/1

That is not to say that the odds on each roll change. That is to say that the chance of a 100% balanced H/L 50/50 RNG picking the same result X times in a row reduce when X increases.

I used to run a similar tactic on roulette, and I've won probably £600 in total (after deducting losses and deposits, naturally). It's not impossible to beat the house, just it takes some time, patience, and understanding of how systems work. The fact is, RNGs can be predicted to some extent provided they are mildly predictable. Provided you know your limits, and are willing to accept when you have lost some and call it a day, you can profit from it.

What's your story?
-How rich are you?
To much.
-How big is your gold income?
Around 400kks.
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
A lot.
-What's the secret behind your success?
Secret.

What's your story?
-How rich are you?
I've got about 80~100kk of gold/items
-How big is your gold income?
I bring in probably 3~4kk/month
-Do you waste a lot of gold?
I hunt for profit, so I don't waste.
-What's the secret behind your success?
I stay in spawns that are well below the level requirement to hunt them, so I never waste, ever.

I'm going to put my two cents in one day I had over 1000 rolls and the percentage was like 53%high 47% low

How rich are you?
I lately got a keylogger on my laptop so I got hacked and lost 10kk. Now I am recovering though and I have like 7 kk cash and probably like 5 kk worth of items. So in total +- 12 kk

How big is your gold income?
I make +- 3-4 kk per week

Do you waste a lot of gold?
I mainly use gold to get mounts/outfits that are expensive and use a lot of money for pking. Still I make more than I waste :p

What's the secret behind your success?
Create shitloads of facc knights, I personally got like 15 knights covering levels 50-200. Put them on coryms/dragons/shadowthorn in Venore and see your money grow. With this money you can also buy premium scrolls and put knights at Barbarians Svargrond. For me this is working great, but I think there must be better ways.

@only4tibia -im with you on this one he is correct its all about patience and thinking, if you get greedy or rush your decision you will loose.

i know its down to luck but me and my rls spent a thew days putting numbers into spreadsheet working out the exact amount you should bet to make profit, we gave our self 6 lives (6rolls) the more times we lost in this number of lifes but winning on the the 4-6 roll the more you profit.

we start low, increasing the best every loss and starting at min bet every win no matter if you won 3 times in a row on the min bet...these are not the correct numbers as the numbers are on the a bit of paper at my moms house but it goes like this

1st roll : 5.6k
2nd roll :17.4k
3rd roll :42k
4th roll :110k
5th roll :228k
6th roll : 310k

if you win you go back to 1st roll(5.6k) no matter if you win on it 5 times in a row after every win you go back to this
and if you loose you go on to the next number (eg 17...loose 42)
so you want to loose to raise a higher bet but you want to win before the 6 lives are up to secure your money back and profit...i hope people understood what im trying to say i havent wrote this much since i was at school haha but i will get the exact numbers and update my post



1st roll @5.6
2nd roll @