Safe to play?

[Jesseh]

i dont have any problems using the bot for healing and my script for looting super fast either, afk hunting will get you reported at busier spawns and pkd and such, and my opinion is cip frowns upon combo botting auto sio'ing and doing almost inhuman type things with your bot, as well as any bad script which spams hi over and over again at your dp chest for instance. i have used for 150 lvls off and on on my main and alt characters and haven't had any problems myself. i have also used the other referenced program here and that is also safe, though it manipulates f key presses on the focused client and if you are using shift hotkeys messes up the healing a bit and xeno uses the raw command as opposed to the fkeys themself but from the server side, there is no difference as far as detection of that as far as i know of, and i'm sure the day if they decide to change that, @DarkstaR will be the first one to catch it, he has a firm grasp on how it works and i have more faith in that he mostlikely has more knowledge about how the game works on both ends than just about anyone else i can think of. if cip wanted to abolish botting completely, there would be a client side detection method implemented, but that , again my opinion, would not be good for business for them, or for xeno either, most bans will happen from reports, or if the client side is doing something the game can't do like manipulate packets, and that is the main reason why blackd proxy is still 100% detectable. i tried it out on some noobs and within a week all those accounts were gone in an instant.

xeno's healer is way more advanced than the other one, but sometimes simple suits your needs, so in that case it won't matter. I'd choose xeno first, but you do your own research and define what works best for you

I agree that it's worse to use than xeno/wind because it presses the key and only if focused, and sometimes it messes a bit if I'm using CTRL or SHIFT, but so far I've really got no problems of dying or something. I used to have wind subscription, but there was reports (here and on wind forums) of people getting deleted by either using completely randomized waypoints or using bot only to heal. So, by now, I'm using blackd safe for heal. If soon we learn better what is really happening with those strange deletes I may buy again xeno/wind.

[holos]

botting is over until they make a new bot a bot thats not detectable -- time and money not worth it prob

[shnoob3]

I was implying that for healing (and manual opening/script looting if applicable) that BlackD Safe Cheats, Xeno, Probably Wind as well idk i know others but i haven't experienced using that one. these three doing only the aforementioned, SHOULD be ok. using any kind of tool puts the risk factor in the users hands regardless of my personal experience. I got replys saying many other things, as far as botting bunches of characters for tons of hours afk, yeahof use at your own discretion no matter what but I MYSELF have had no issues and no account bans yet using either the BSC or Xenobot for HEALING and LOOTING..... I also purposely set where applicable for the occasional poof and not 100% accurate healing as that is more than not inhuman..... also from personal experience any suggestions you can make to make the game better and be an active part of the tibia community to keep the game at its best will mostlikely put favor on you regardless of tools etc... again my opinion but then again its all from my personal experiences.

And i'm not saying i never use scripts to hunt or run around as all the scripts i wrote for me can be run full AFK but i watch and roll with what's on the screen or who....

completely randomized waypoints? like a node? not exactly sure what that means....

[Tan]

If people report you for it you will sooner or later get deleted it seems like

[anoyn]

I think Cip knowing the hardware of connected clients is a huge issue. If there are four players with the same hardware and ip it's obvious. I still think no spoofing hardware is a huge give away to Cips detection system

[Jesseh]

I was implying that for healing (and manual opening/script looting if applicable) that BlackD Safe Cheats, Xeno, Probably Wind as well idk i know others but i haven't experienced using that one. these three doing only the aforementioned, SHOULD be ok. using any kind of tool puts the risk factor in the users hands regardless of my personal experience. I got replys saying many other things, as far as botting bunches of characters for tons of hours afk, yeahof use at your own discretion no matter what but I MYSELF have had no issues and no account bans yet using either the BSC or Xenobot for HEALING and LOOTING..... I also purposely set where applicable for the occasional poof and not 100% accurate healing as that is more than not inhuman..... also from personal experience any suggestions you can make to make the game better and be an active part of the tibia community to keep the game at its best will mostlikely put favor on you regardless of tools etc... again my opinion but then again its all from my personal experiences.

And i'm not saying i never use scripts to hunt or run around as all the scripts i wrote for me can be run full AFK but i watch and roll with what's on the screen or who....

completely randomized waypoints? like a node? not exactly sure what that means....

If people aren't lying there was reports of getting deleted by only using healing in wind/xeno. Maybe because of reports of fast healing and CIP indeed checked some data gathered from a player and saw that the character hunts in a very efficient/fast way of healing? Who knows.

What I mean by randomized waypoints is:
- Not going trough the same route always (having 3 or 4 routes to go dp/hunt/dp)
- Not going up/down the same SQM of stairs or going to the same depot chest when depositing. (I had more than 80 lines of code in Wind in Edron scripts just for looking which depot sqm should I go. It would choose from ALL dp chests from all floors when depositing)
- Not staying in the same SQM when doing certain actions, like depositing or buying pots
- Having a break each 30-45 minutes, for 2 minutes, when there's no monster on screen to "go to bathroom" or eat, and while doing this pause turn everything else off (auto eat, auto gran lux, etc)

Those are only some measures but still it's easy for CIP to server side detect a botter if they want. Examples (I'm saying only by the bot I had, wind, but I believe it's similar to Xeno):

- When looting human players pick loots from a somewhat random'er order than bots, and sometimes we miss the right bp and throw gold coins on rare bps. (if CIP did this check we could never know but I doubt they would want to have this amount of work for this)
- Botters have botters bp and dp setup, with the right colors and bp arranged in some botting way
- Hunting manually I use diagonal moves a lot (I'm a RP), when botting I only use it when trapped or using some randomized walking path (dp/hunt/dp).
- The distance we keep from monsters is usually static (not using any other LUA that could change it), so it's clear when we see someone botting by the distance they keep immediately from a monster.

There are much more space to improve. I'm reading more papers on server sided detection methods for MMORPG to see if there is something clear that cheaters aren't doing, but I see basically 99% of the botters hunting with static scripts, that doesn't explain people getting deleted by only healing or training with mad sheep (unless they are mcing).

[Joey]

Magebot is official software btw!

[shnoob3]

i thought that since one can run flash and a c client on the same machine at the same time they had changed the mc rules and it was now allowed to do that..... not 100% sure there, and thanks bro theres a lot of good information i agree with there... i hunt mostly with a rp nowadays and certain things you can just almost always tell when you see it that its not a player driving the game persay..... though i have no diagonals on my laptop keyboard but i probably would do that a lot more if i had a full keyboard.... good food for thought @Jesseh I just got called into work, wifeys gonna monitor my hunt and i'll check back in later XD

Just because I haven't had any problems doesn't mean you or him or her will have the same experiences, and like I said I usually am never afk but today i will experiment a bit and hopefully not come back with issues..... XD

[Jesseh]

i thought that since one can run flash and a c client on the same machine at the same time they had changed the mc rules and it was now allowed to do that..... not 100% sure there, and thanks bro theres a lot of good information i agree with there... i hunt mostly with a rp nowadays and certain things you can just almost always tell when you see it that its not a player driving the game persay..... though i have no diagonals on my laptop keyboard but i probably would do that a lot more if i had a full keyboard.... good food for thought @Jesseh I just got called into work, wifeys gonna monitor my hunt and i'll check back in later XD

Just because I haven't had any problems doesn't mean you or him or her will have the same experiences, and like I said I usually am never afk but today i will experiment a bit and hopefully not come back with issues..... XD

I think the biggest problem with MCing is, you are botting, how could a non-bot walk with arrow keys with both clients at the same time, it's impossible without any additional aid. Now imagine you are hunting with both chars, monsters that are stronger than a rotworm, somewhat difficult.

There are some papers regarding server sided detection on MMORPGs around:

https://etrij.etri.re.kr/etrij/journ...-1385635263573
https://wiki.umn.edu/pub/UmmCSciSeni...y_Phou_Lee.pdf
http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi...=infotech_pubs
http://www.eurecom.fr/en/publication...publi-2860.pdf
http://www.syssec-project.eu/m/page-...er-icics11.pdf
http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/~swc/pu...ification.html
http://hiroshi1.hongo.wide.ad.jp/hir...a_AINA2013.pdf

I didn't read all of them because some are more applicable to games like Ragnarok or others, but most can be applied in some way to Tibia. It's at least useful to be familiar with the content.