Bots... XenoBot? iBot?

I've been reading through a bunch of threads here, and it seems like iBot is getting used a lot here? I figured these forums were full of Xeno users, but I've heard a lot of good things about iBot being said here too. I have quite a few question, and I guess what I'm trying to ask is:

What are the benefits of each bot?
Why do you personally use the one that you do?
Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums?
Which bot has a brighter future?

I guess I'm just kind of alarmed to see other bots being used here, it seems kind of like Neo and Red, I always used Neo but heard great things about Red... On top of all of this, in the new year I'm planning on getting back into tibia myself, but all my accounts have been hacked. I'll be starting new, I have a strong scripting background... What to buy...?

From what I've heard, iBot has dumbed down scripting which makes it a tad easier. Other than that, not sure on the benefits. Not very familiar with it. I would say that the disadvantages are many, though. For one, it costs more. Also, it's written in VB.NET (I believe?), which requires you to have the .NET framework. That's not really a problem, but it's something that Xenobot doesn't need. They do seem to have more well known scripters from Neobot's time, but the prices for scripts seem higher too.

I won't answer your second question, because it's obvious. I'm staff, and have been since before Xenobot even existed as a product.

We have iBot users on our forum because a lot of people use both bots. Also, we have some of the community from a general Tibia forum that no longer exists (tibiaug.com).

I would like to think that Xeno will come out ahead of iBot in the near future. Time will tell, but I'd say that DarkstaR is a better developer (trying not to be biased).

1 word answer the whole thread

guess which it is.

(tip: starts with xeno, and ends with 3 letters)

i prefer ibot for knights and xenobot for mages (they both suck for paladins), ibot lags frequently and xenobot is more confusing but more advance. Which one is better at moment in my opinion none but like someone above me said "DarkstaR is a better developer"

off topic question, hope you guys can answer.
Besides iBot and Xeno, are there any other popular bots? I remember when neo went down there were some others too, like redbot and another one that I cba to remember the name of.

This is some good information, it's nice to hear pros and cons from you guys, I always thought xeno was better, then I started seeing this stuff and I got confused aha. I think it's better to be a little more complicated in order to be more advanced, so I'm leaning towards xeno right now :)

I think the reason why iBot has ALOT of great free scripts and Xeno doesn't is because iBot is alot easyer to script then Xeno. And i think, and hope, that Xeno will adept in a way that scripting will be less complicated in the future. Like making a backpack reset something like this:

ResetBP(all)
Minimize(all)

When there is less scripting involved there will be more script makers and more (good) free scripts.

So overall, same shit, ibot is easier to use?

From experiences iBot eats your CPU like a fucking fattie eats a birthdaycake.

However there are ofcourse advances/disadvances with both bots, however I prefer Xenobot.

I use iBot more then Xenobot.
Tho, i hang around here because iBots community is shit.

Why i use iBot? Got more scripts for my paladin and mage.
For a knight i would Xeno probably, just because it's easier in-game then ibot is.

But in the end, they are both pretty similar and there are good/bad things about both bots.
Xeno's community will make me stay here, always.

I mainly use it because it is much easier to create my own scripts and edit as i go, instead of having a few notepads open to edit a mistake you can easily fix it on ibot.

basically all that spectrus said

@Gonza Mainly the ones you said and there is blackd bot that is still being updated and free but not sure if its anygood

edit: sorry accidental double post

@Gonza

there were many ye, the one u remember is probably KeraBot. The most fail bot ever

HAIL DARKSTAR.

The 'run away' target in Xeno is much better than Ibot.
XenoBOT lack some functions, and like pp said is harder than Ibot to create a script.
Ibot have special areas working, things like 'setsettings' which you can change everything without load other script and have multiple spells.
Xeno need a post with all functions and how that works.

Ps: I know some functions and others can be made by .lua.

I'd say Xeno is really good when it comes to botting knights. Never tried Ibot, probably never will.


XENOBOT ALL THE WAY SON

I thought the same thing. It is really true, if you have a look at IBot, it seems to be easier to use and has some nice built-in functions, functions that we have to use scripts to achiv on xeno. I think xeno is more complicated to use and make scripts BUT i trust in DarkStark's work. DarkStar is always close to the comunitty and doing releases very often. He even explain some codes and show "why" in some casts. I see a lot of people complaining in IBot forums and not a single anwser from the owner. Maybe its just a matter of time till xeno be the best bot ever.

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Originally Posted by Avani

I think the reason why iBot has ALOT of great free scripts and Xeno doesn't is because iBot is alot easyer to script then Xeno. And i think, and hope, that Xeno will adept in a way that scripting will be less complicated in the future. Like making a backpack reset something like this:

ResetBP(all)
Minimize(all)

When there is less scripting involved there will be more script makers and more (good) free scripts.

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Self.CloseContainers()
Client.HideEquipment()
Client.ShowEquipment()
Container.GetByName("red backpack"):Minimize()


We have all of these simple things. The "good" Scripters just don't know how to update their scripts and adapt to the system.

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Originally Posted by kbzin

I thought the same thing. It is really true, if you have a look at IBot, it seems to be easier to use and has some nice built-in functions, functions that we have to use scripts to achiv on xeno. I think xeno is more complicated to use and make scripts BUT i trust in DarkStark's work. DarkStar is always close to the comunitty and doing releases very often. He even explain some codes and show "why" in some casts. I see a lot of people complaining in IBot forums and not a single anwser from the owner. Maybe its just a matter of time till xeno be the best bot ever.

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I'm replying to you, but this reply is a bulk response to everyone talking about how much easier iBot is than Xeno.

The reason scripts are used for some features is because scripts are more customizable and extensible. You only have to write a script once, it's not like you have to configure it every time you use it.

Also, scripting for Xeno is very simple. Most people take the hard way. I can make, very elegantly, in a few lines of code, what most people do in 20, and that's because they do not realize most of the things they are doing can be done much easier. This is in part to people ignoring my recommendations on following proper standards. This is also in part due to Forgee and Sirmate libraries. The number one issue we've seen is errors relating to these two libraries. These are all user-made-issues. They are not problems with the bot. Most scripts I've seen that require you to use Forgee.lua don't even call a single function from Forgee.lua - they make you include it just because they are to retarded to realize they are retarded (and then they charge you money for these shitty scripts! The fuck?).

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Originally Posted by DarkstaR

You only have to write a script once, it's not like you have to configure it every time you use it.

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If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.

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Originally Posted by DarkstaR

We have all of these simple things. The "good" Scripters just don't know how to update their scripts and adapt to the system.

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It shows how hard it is. We're not "good" scripters, that's why many pp said Ibot is easier.

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Originally Posted by DarkstaR

I can make, very elegantly, in a few lines of code, what most people do in 20, and that's because they do not realize most of the things they are doing can be done much easier.

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Share with us! :D

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Originally Posted by L!p3

If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.

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Not really. You just make a better initial script. I have an exori/e-gran script that works at 10 different places.

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Originally Posted by L!p3

It shows how hard it is. We're not "good" scripters, that's why many pp said Ibot is easier.

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Most script aren't hard to make is my point.

They are both easy to script. If people says it hard its because they dont know how to script and only manage to script by borrowing/editing other peoples code. In xeno its a tad harder to borrow code so they think its harder to script. My only problem with xeno is separate lua files which isnt a problem only an annoyance. Im hoping we get bult in scripts. one-liners are fine but they still dont work for scripts like attack area and soft boots changer. Once special areas are fixed I see xenobot as working well on knights and paladins. Im still not 100% happy using a mage with it. Maybe once I make a nice multi spell attack script ill change my mind.

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Originally Posted by L!p3

If you have an exori script u'll have to change the creatures if you change the spawn. Hunting more than 1 respaw then a new file is necessary.

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Then your doing something wrong.

offtopic
User made libraries are great but people need to learn how to use them correctly.

I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

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Originally Posted by SamDaMan

I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

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Please share with us.

OnT:

I haven't tried scripting with Xenobot myself yet, but it definitely doesn't seem that hard.. the hard part would be getting a grip of the functions. However, this is a matter for all programming languages(classes as well of course).

all depend what you need and most important is first look , opinion

80% ppl think
Inject = ban

this is main reson why some othere bot is more popular

Ibot has bigger scripters and better scripts for highlevels SO FAR

alltho I like Xenobot alot and the community is just great :)

i use xeno, not because of any certain features or anything but i trust darkstar he knows what hes doing and id much rather use a bot where i can trust the person who makes it :P i have no clue who ibots owner is ( :

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Originally Posted by soul4soul

They are both easy to script. If people says it hard its because they dont know how to script and only manage to script by borrowing/editing other peoples code. In xeno its a tad harder to borrow code so they think its harder to script. My only problem with xeno is separate lua files which isnt a problem only an annoyance. Im hoping we get bult in scripts. one-liners are fine but they still dont work for scripts like attack area and soft boots changer. Once special areas are fixed I see xenobot as working well on knights and paladins. Im still not 100% happy using a mage with it. Maybe once I make a nice multi spell attack script ill change my mind.


Then your doing something wrong.

offtopic
User made libraries are great but people need to learn how to use them correctly.

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Just use "TIMER_TICK" event and you can compress your Lua stuff into one file.

Also "problem" with Xeno is that people don't understand the logic of classes. The difference about scripting in XenoBOT vs iBOT and NeoBOT it's how functions (need to be used/are declared).
Let's get simplest example: Moving items.

Xeno:
You need to loop over all containers (construct object for each container), find your item in container (looping over all slots) and then call container function that is responsible for moving items into other container or ground.

iBOT and NeoBOT:
You call one function "moveitems" with proper agruments and it's done.

I know that you want to make Xeno somehow "flexible" or something like this but people want simple solutions or atleast huge base of examples as not everyone like/want to make actions by themselves.

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Originally Posted by sirmate

Just use "TIMER_TICK" event and you can compress your Lua stuff into one file.

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Im am aware of this but its not what im looking for it still leaves with you with lua files separated from the xbst.

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Originally Posted by Nykor

I've been reading through a bunch of threads here, and it seems like iBot is getting used a lot here? I figured these forums were full of Xeno users, but I've heard a lot of good things about iBot being said here too. I have quite a few question, and I guess what I'm trying to ask is:

What are the benefits of each bot? Xeno is a bit cheaper then iBot, not only by the price of a subscription, but also because of the price most people ask for their paid scrips. iBot has better scripts that are free of charge than Xeno I'd say, don't know what's the reason for that though. What I dislike about iBot is that it kinda takes over your computer like Neo did aswell, so you are not able to chat with people or something while botting.
Why do you personally use the one that you do? not using any at the moment, but the last one I've used was iBot indeed, got redskulled on my mage botting with xeno so therefor I switched. So basically the lack of a script that would turn down the bot/client when I "accidently" fragged someone made me change. Also I have always had problems with the bp reseter etc. when I was using Xeno (was a while ago though, might have changed)
Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums? No matter what bot I am currently using I prefer to stick to the Xeno forums, since I prefer the people around here (generally speaking). To be honest I don't like to see 384 br threads on the iBot forums (no offence)
Which bot has a brighter future?

I guess I'm just kind of alarmed to see other bots being used here, it seems kind of like Neo and Red, I always used Neo but heard great things about Red... On top of all of this, in the new year I'm planning on getting back into tibia myself, but all my accounts have been hacked. I'll be starting new, I have a strong scripting background... What to buy...?

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added some 'bold' answers, don't know if it makes any sense

Here are my answers, being a member of XB forum since day 2 (I think - on my alt account, Josh). I've also scripted for BugWT using iBot for a long time, so I know that incredibly well. On top of that I've known Igor (Maozao, maker of Redbot) for a while, and seen him develop his programming over that time.

What are the benefits of each bot?
iBot is the most functional, by far. In spite of the fact that the other bots can do pretty much the same shit, it's a lot easier and more accessible. Unless you have a phd in lua scripting you won't be able to recreate an ibot script like for like on Xeno, or RedBot (though redbot again is slightly easier to script with than Xeno due to more accessible functions).

RedBot doesn't really stand out much, it's a good all round bot, but it doesn't have any spectacular feature which makes it better in any way, really. I guess the targetting is slightly better, but that was modified by Ekx, so it's no surprise that it's better, really.

XenoBot is by far the most noob friendly. Anyone can load it up, inject, run a script and load some settings. The downside of course being that in order to modify those scripts, you must have said phd in lua scripting.

Why do you personally use the one that you do?
I use XenoBot now, purely because iBot doesn't work on my computer. I don't know why, and nobody else shares the problem I'm faced with, so Jonatas is reluctant to spend time trying to fix it. He's sent me a few betas and tried a little, but as mentioned, it's just too much work for too small a problem. XenoBot would definitely be my recontamination to anyone who can script though, it's a bit more complex and slightly frustrating when you need to have a text editor and the client open, then execute and kill scripts each time you change something, but what you lose there you gain in people not fucking around once they have bought / downloaded a script. I always used to find myself (especially in Neobot) making stupid typing errors in functions, clicking a random place on the screen and tapping the @ key or something stupid by mistake. I don't do that with Xeno cause I'm rarely in the scripts, since they are out of the way. It's nicer in that way, and that's the biggest reason aside from iBot not working that I use it.

Why are there so many iBot users on the Xeno forums?
As people said already, iBot is probably the most popular, but they need a community, so they come here. DarkstaR made TUGBot a few years ago, for a community TibiaUG, which disbanded a year or so ago after three of the most contributing users of the forum got accused of scamming by the owner of the site, and the group of friends we (I speak in first person because I was one of those 3 people) were playing with ended up giving up on the TUG community, as Neobot disbanded, XenoBot was made, we had a new place to chat, Xeno forums.

Which bot has a brighter future?
I think XenoBot will stand out once it has had a little work done. It could do with a few changes, like a simple "tool" to automount, the ability to pass variables as a string or integer as you like (aka ShopSellItems("Dragon Hammer") as opposed to Self.ShopSellItems(Item.GetID("Dragon Hammer"))) - These functions make it really annoying to script, and as some functions are part of third party libraries, they don't all require Self.~, so it gets even more confusing.

Overall, if you want a bot that's easy to use and you can't script very well, I'd recommend Xeno. I'd also recommend that you find a script seller, considering the price of scripts here is ridiculously cheap compared to the other two. If you want something you're used to, iBot is the thing, it's very similar to Neobot, and is suited to most people in that respect. It does, however, consume CPU like a whore (as people mentioned before). If you want something a bit different, I guess RedBot is your thing, but I doubt you'll appreciate anything about it, as you'll see its foibles and think why the fuck did I do this...

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

It could do with a few changes, like a simple "tool" to automount

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If I had the most recent version of Tibia downloaded I'd get a screenshot... Automount is seriously the easiest function to use with Xeno.

Also, wtf. You're always on skype, why not now? :(

I checked the iBot forum a day ago and saw a function that many did want, don't remember really what it was about. But in that thread, they had problem. They did discuss how to add the function without misclick and take skull/yellow. Since Xenobot does'nt simulate keyboard and mouse, it can't really do wrong, misclicking and stuff like that. And since it's not clientside detection, there is really no reason to have a bot that simulate mouse and keyboard - it only makes things harder and easier to fuck up.

I don't know if it's possible in iBot, but in Xenobot, you can actually inject the bot when watching Tibiacast. If you got a friend who are in a pvp situation and can't start his bot/mwall timer, or simply he don't use bot, you can help him with it by telling him if you're watching his cast. You can even making script in Tibiacast using Xenobot, which might help alot for people who want to make a high level script but don't have a high leveled char, or for people that want a personally script but don't know how to a script themself.

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Originally Posted by SamDaMan

I'm not gonna say iBot has a keylogger hidden within the code...
... but I'm not gonna say it doesn't either.

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it does have keyloggers

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Originally Posted by Pirate

it does have keyloggers

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Thats a risk, we all share ... :/

It seems that the big problem with scripting is just naming conventions. I like verbosity and separation of functions where, apparently, users like cluster fucks. I can easily make all item functions accept both names and id's, so I may work that in very soon.

A problem Xenobot has, is payment options. People like to pay via phone etc, and even that does not support all countries.

I prefer paypal option, myself.

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Originally Posted by Pirate

it does have keyloggers

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If you knew absolutely anything about bots, you'd know that a keylogger would be the most unnecessary thing in any bot.

You can actually do this right now, download and run cheatEngine, and attach to the tibia client, then search for a "string", and type in your password. It will come up in plaintext, do the same for your account name, oop, again, it's stored in your memory in plaintext. It can be read the exact same way that your health, mana, etc can be read.

The only reason people assume iBot contains a keylogger is because it uses a keyboard hook to check for user input and it delays / modifies certain functions to work around it, as a result of that I think one or two anti virus programs pick up on the fact that it is recording keystrokes.

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Originally Posted by Luls

If I had the most recent version of Tibia downloaded I'd get a screenshot... Automount is seriously the easiest function to use with Xeno.

Also, wtf. You're always on skype, why not now? :(

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Been at work all day, I'm probably overlooking it somewhere, and if it's a function I don't really need a demonstration anyways :)

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

It can be read the exact same way that your health, mana, etc can be read.

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Wrong.

For health and mana, you read a static address and then XOR it with a value read from another static address - this is due to the encryption they added earlier this year.

For password and account number, you have to read a value (v1) from a static address (pointer to std::string pointer), read a value (v2) from v1 plus an offset (pointer to std::string buffer size), read a value (v3) from v1 plus another offset (pointer to std::string buffer). Now logic comes into play:

If v2 is less than or equal to 15, then v3 is our password/account name. If v2 is greater than 15, then we have to read another value (v4) from the address in the first four bytes of v3. Now v4 is our password/accountname.

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Originally Posted by DarkstaR

Wrong.

For health and mana, you read a static address and then XOR it with a value read from another static address - this is due to the encryption they added earlier this year.

For password and account number, you have to read a value (v1) from a static address (pointer to std::string pointer), read a value (v2) from v1 plus an offset (pointer to std::string buffer size), read a value (v3) from v1 plus another offset (pointer to std::string buffer). Now logic comes into play:

If v2 is less than or equal to 15, then v3 is our password/account name. If v2 is greater than 15, then we have to read another value (v4) from the address in the first four bytes of v3. Now v4 is our password/accountname.

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Ok, drop the word exactly. If the account name or password is longer than 15 characters, it becomes a pointer and random memory is assigned with the pointer stored at the original location.

I guess what I'm trying to say, really, is that to get someones account info does not require any black magic, and if any player doesn't have UAC disabled, they won't have noticed that the majority of bots all have some form of keyboard hook (which may show up as a virus depending on AV software), and that most bots communicate with the web to check for updates & news etc, failing that just to do a check on the login information they use for their bots license time.

It would be incredibly easy for any bot developer to take control of all their users accounts, but all in all, it would also be wasteful considering that all the money they would make from the accounts & items would be virtually worthless compared to the real money they will make (which is already real money, so won't need trading) from selling the bot in the first place.

On top of that, if the developer were to try rebrand I'm sure people would catch on, so the same trick can't realistically be done twice, either...