It appears that being prem and a higher level both reduce your chances of deletion. And as far as I know CIP doesn't give out any warnings, maybe an email though saying your account was deleted.
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It appears that being prem and a higher level both reduce your chances of deletion. And as far as I know CIP doesn't give out any warnings, maybe an email though saying your account was deleted.
I'm not sure if being prem gives any protection other than the ability to hunt in less crowded places, bit it's definitely a plausible theory.
now i knew how deletion come xD
Back to my 306 EK with 50 millions in Shadowcores :)
no warnings no messages no e-mails just wrong account or password and the character with this name doesn't exist
thx too much i was thinking to be premium u did me a favour deleting it b4 i do
The way I see it, PACC gives you more protection. It would make sense. If Cip really wants to lose money, they'd detect and delete all the PACCs' characters out there (imo). No one knows for sure, but this is my strong (opinionated) hunch on this haha.
Agree with you that premium almsot protect you more, they have money now and they work to earn more not to loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Weathercock
Shadowcores is better now. after hard working botting for hours :) got deleted without warning at the end.
Shadowcores 305 ek is my decision premium for free, botting freely i have 50 millions so i can buy prem scrolls to buy from the shop
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Originally Posted by Weathercock
This is wrong. It's common knowledge in the gaming industry that when fighting botters, you let them bot peacefully for a few months and then do ban-waves all at once. Why? Because if they've survived for a few months and they are paying customers there's a good chance they'll purchase a new account and do the same thing all over again. If they get banned right away, however, they'll find it hopeless and move on to a new game.
Psychology has fucked you in the ass.
This. I couldn't explain it any better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkstaR
DarkstaR is right, they hook you into the game, after that they can delete you, and most of the people will come back to play on a new char (PACC) anyway. Just check bot forums, it's replete with those things.
Yeah, sure. I agree with that, to an extent. My thing is, I feel like they probably delete premium accounts that constantly buy or use scrolls. I know that might sound like an obvious observation, but think about it. Do you really think they're going to delete someone that's constantly renewing monthly memberships? I wouldn't think so. Obviously it may not seem like the wisest thing to bot your main account, But I know a few people on the Retro worlds that bot their mains that they pay premium for. I just think there's so many variables to this entire thing in itself. Having said that, who's to say who's really right or accurate about these things? None of us (that I know of haha) work for Cip in these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkstaR
Yes, they are. It happens all the time. It's not a question that needs answering, 70+% of people who get banned are premium on a subscription.
I have a little question, if I only inject it, without putting any function (no heal,no cave it,no loot,...) and that I am reported, does Cip will be able to detect it?
I know you said that Xenobot is not 100% safe, but I just want to understand how the detection works.
Thank you
What would be the point injecting without using any features?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxroyalsxx
/Stusse
He probably means because of auto inject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stusse
@xxroyalsxx It will be fine, the only detection they have is server-sided, so it wont know the bot is injected if you're not using any features.
Thinking of botting a moneymaker on a different account than My main. Any chance of the main account which i've used bot months ago to get deleted cuz of the moneymaker? ( thinking IP vise etc)
Yes, they've been known to link accounts together and ban ones that don't even bot.Quote:
Originally Posted by attepatte
[*]Do not talk about botting in game, even if its in a private message to a trusted person. For all you know, cipsoft can be searching logs for people talking about botting.
I can absolutely confirm that our converstations ARE recorded. The reason I am able to say this is maybe 2 months ago someone reported a statement that I said because it was insulting. The statement I said was so VAGUE because I was splitting the sentances into multiple lines so I figured I could surely pull one over on them and argue that the statement was NOT a punishable offence.
WRONG. I promptly received an email back from a CIP team member with a good chunk of the convo proving that infact I had said something extremely offencive. Fact is they DO have a way to storing our conversations regardless of wether it's a private message or not.
Here is what the rule violation report said on my Tibia Account page
Date: Oct 06 2015, 11:51:43 CEST
Last Edit Date: Oct 07 2015, 10:41:16 CEST
Acknowledgement Date: Oct 06 2015, 16:11:08 CEST
Character: ##########
Severity: Mild
Reason: offensive statement
Comment: Offensive statements are a violation of Tibia Rule 2a
Statement: "Poland is just as bad" (Oct 03 2015, 19:35:45 CEST, in Private Message)
Seem's pretty inocent right?
And here is the response I got back from CIP upon complaining about the violation
For the record I feel bad for saying what I did and really dont have anything against Polish people. This kid was just being an asshole and this doesn't excuse my racism. (Sorry in advance folks)
Thank you for your request.
You have received an entry in your rule violation record for making an offensive statement, which is a violation of the Tibia Rules. We have carefully reviewed the entry.
Here is an extract from the chat log on which the entry was based:
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:45 ####### Poland is just as bad
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:53 ####### its a shame it wasn't wiped out during
Private Message 03.10.2015, 19:35:56 ####### WW2
The entry in the rule violation record was justified. I am afraid we are not prepared to remove it. Please read the Tibia Rules at http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules carefully and follow them at all times to make sure your account will not be punished again.
Kind regards,
######
Tibia Customer Support
Moral of the story is don't be a racist asshole
And don't think that because you're splitting up your sentances into multiple lines that you're off the hook from statement reports.
I'd also like to add that I've had 2 accounts deleted while using Xenobot. Here's the details on my bans.
First account had 2 level 110-130 KNIGHTS. I had more or less just got the account premium for the first time and had moved both chars to Liberty Bay to do the Pirate Task and farm the boss items.(I have done this on 2 other accounts prior with success)
I botted one of the knights down to about 18 hours of stamina when I decided I was going to go to out and meet a friend. I ended up staying out for WAY longer than I had expected and came back to find the character had maybe 10 hours of stamina, getting(Half i think) EXP and zero loot. Next day the account was deleted. I've heard that botting Nargor Pirates is just asking for a deletion but I'm sure it was because of the stamina and duration of which I hunted for.
Second account had one KNIGHT level 98 FACC. I had botted the character from 1-98 in about 2 months (Go me)using various scripts downloaded from reliable sources and a lot that I made myself. (I always put tons of time making my scripts being sure to test, test and test again for zero chance of getting stuck and smooth flowing waypoints. I also make them in spawns that you would never expect to see a botter because they're WAY out of the way or they're very difficult to get to for one reason or another. But when the account got deleted I was running him in Orc Fortress using a script that I had downloaded but EDITED to drop the Halberds in the non-reset tile in the sewer, That is in my opinion the reason I was detected. Every lap it would go to the exact same spot and drop loot in the exact same tile using the exact same delay.
Hopefully some of you will find this helpful when using/making scripts and avoiding deletion, I surely learned something.
Gotta love the comment tho, so funny. Yet racist, xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menbro
Just lost ~230ek with activited pacc. Botted for 8h daily on empty spot. Someone tried to lure mobs on me and reported. Imho they dont detect it but delete after report. Used 7 other chars at this time and other arent banned.
Next ek 120lvl lost. I run script and minimalized window for over 1h. Script crashed and bot stayed in depo for 60mins. Account deleted :(
Then make sure to run a better script next time :O
They didn't detect that you were lured on and probably got stuck? Say what now?
Do you know if they can only detect Ip addresses of accounts(if I multi client and bot a few characters at the same time) or if they can link 2 MCed accounts together via MAC address?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkstaR
There has been people getting mass ip deleted, and I am 90% sure same Hardware Id helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfman
If i was you I'd get a VPS and VPN so you won't get deleted on any manual characters.
Does a vpn actually hide your hardware ID from cipsoft?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheradial
No, thats why you use a vps or anothrt machine ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfman
So different computers on same router isnt a problem?
You dont have to worry about that?
So I have a hunch about the way some detections might occur. I understand that the way xenobot moves the character is by simulating keystrokes and not actual mapclicks, is that right? If that's the case then listen to this.
Consider the following, when you hold a letter key on the keyboard it prints a long string of that letter. So it periodically prints that letter with some delay like 50 ms or something. Now while that's true for the end of the string, it's not true inbetween the first and second print where there's a larger delay. Try it yourself with holding a letter key and you'll understand I hope.
Where it becomes interesting that this also is the case with arrow keys. Try going up and down this webpage, you'll see the delay. I also remember this being the case in tibia when you move your character in a straight line and between the first walked tile and second there's a small pause. I can't know for sure 100% since I'm banned and don't have a high level character that walks fast enough where you can see it clearly.
Now that delay can be set smaller or larger in the OS keyboard settings but it still remains noticable. I'm not sure how data packets are sent to cipsoft's servers when moving a character with a keyboard, but I'm sure that this case of what I'm talking about must be taken into account when simulating keystrokes.
What do you guys think about it? Am I talking shit and is this already incorporated in the bot?
Thanks xD
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