How/when the ban/deletion comes?

Hi.


I haven't played this game for almost a decade (excluding OTs). And decided to try playing at official servers and I was wondering how their ban system works.

Is some kind of a "ban wave"? When they collect data from a period of time then ban all these accounts at once.

Or is some kind of "instant deletion"? When they'll ban whenever they have enough "proof".

Extra question:

I wanted to know what are my chances of being deleted since I heard that free and fresh accounts have more chances of being deleted. I'm planing to put a premiun account, renew the xenobot and buy some KKs but I'm not sure if I should wait a few more days to see what happens to me.

Some more info:
Created a character 1 week ago, xenobot injected onto client 99% of time, "playing" 11h-14h per day (86h in last 7 days), probably got reported 2 times when I left the PC for a few mins and got lured (first 3 days), after that I'm always near the PC with alarms turned on, last 4 days I've been training with slimes at same spot, I'm not using MC for official servers.

Thanks.

Your chance to be deleted is exactly

56,4435968275461999927732971234567890%

Hope i've helped a lot.

They don't ban in waves anymore. Once they have enough evidence they delete you instantly.

If you were a free account I'd say there's over a 50% chance of getting deleted playing for those hours, but since your premium you'll probably be fine. Still, I wouldn't buy kks until you actually need them.

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Originally Posted by Ben

They don't ban in waves anymore. Once they have enough evidence they delete you instantly.

If you were a free account I'd say there's over a 50% chance of getting deleted playing for those hours, but since your premium you'll probably be fine. Still, I wouldn't buy kks until you actually need them.

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Thanks for the reply, I just gonna buy the new 10 days premium thing to see what happens. See ya.

Dude that is x2 full time job in 1 week. Relax on the hrs buddy

They are using some kind of automatic tool on low level characters, between 0-100 levels. Looks like after 100 level, they need some kind of confirmation before deleting your account.

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Originally Posted by Ryszard

They are using some kind of automatic tool on low level characters, between 0-100 levels. Looks like after 100 level, they need some kind of confirmation before deleting your account.

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the way it's stated, you would think it's fact.

It's funny how fresh free accounts are being deleted so quick and easily (they literally can be deleted within some hour of started botting), while old premium accounts with higher levels might survive longer.


This just shows CIP knows within an hour or two from you login if you bot or not, but chooses to not ban certain people. If they can detect new accounts within an hour or two they for sure should be able to detect the same for old accounts. Not like the history would make any difficulties for their automatic detection tool? Anyone have some other thought of that statement?

/Stusse

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Originally Posted by Stusse

It's funny how fresh free accounts are being deleted so quick and easily (they literally can be deleted within some hour of started botting), while old premium accounts with higher levels might survive longer.


This just shows CIP knows within an hour or two from you login if you bot or not, but chooses to not ban certain people. If they can detect new accounts within an hour or two they for sure should be able to detect the same for old accounts. Not like the history would make any difficulties for their automatic detection tool? Anyone have some other thought of that statement?

/Stusse

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Pure bullshit since I came back 1 month ago I made 20 accounts, 3 have been deleted and all of them are facc. Raching levels 80-100 now

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Originally Posted by testedooi1

Hi.


I haven't played this game for almost a decade (excluding OTs). And decided to try playing at official servers and I was wondering how their ban system works.

Is some kind of a "ban wave"? When they collect data from a period of time then ban all these accounts at once.

Or is some kind of "instant deletion"? When they'll ban whenever they have enough "proof".

Extra question:

I wanted to know what are my chances of being deleted since I heard that free and fresh accounts have more chances of being deleted. I'm planing to put a premiun account, renew the xenobot and buy some KKs but I'm not sure if I should wait a few more days to see what happens to me.

Some more info:
Created a character 1 week ago, xenobot injected onto client 99% of time, "playing" 11h-14h per day (86h in last 7 days), probably got reported 2 times when I left the PC for a few mins and got lured (first 3 days), after that I'm always near the PC with alarms turned on, last 4 days I've been training with slimes at same spot, I'm not using MC for official servers.

Thanks.

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MC are not against tibia rules. I've emailed Cip about this and there response was this. "Its not illegal as long as it doesn't modify the client." Tibia pretty much created their own mc when they introduced the flash client. And they do have ban waves but they always do deletions everyday aswell.

Thanks for the replies.

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

MC are not against tibia rules. I've emailed Cip about this and there response was this. "Its not illegal as long as it doesn't modify the client." Tibia pretty much created their own mc when they introduced the flash client. And they do have ban waves but they always do deletions everyday aswell.

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My technical knowledge is pretty low, so excuse me. There is an option on xenosuite to "enable multi client", if I check this option and use the MC, would it be considered as "modifying the client"?

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Originally Posted by Stusse

It's funny how fresh free accounts are being deleted so quick and easily (they literally can be deleted within some hour of started botting), while old premium accounts with higher levels might survive longer.


This just shows CIP knows within an hour or two from you login if you bot or not, but chooses to not ban certain people. If they can detect new accounts within an hour or two they for sure should be able to detect the same for old accounts. Not like the history would make any difficulties for their automatic detection tool? Anyone have some other thought of that statement?

/Stusse

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I think that their tool could be too resource intensive to use on the whole Tibian population. Thus they only use it on new accounts that meet certain criteria, like being created from a suspicious IP/HWID, and people who accumulate enough reports or have a suspicious level to accomplishment ratio or something like that.

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Originally Posted by testedooi1

There is an option on xenosuite to "enable multi client", if I check this option and use the MC, would it be considered as "modifying the client"?

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Yes. But you're already modifying the client when you inject the bot.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherDay

Pure bullshit since I came back 1 month ago I made 20 accounts, 3 have been deleted and all of them are facc. Raching levels 80-100 now

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He made his statement a bit too strong but it's pretty much true. Get banned a few times more times and they will eventually start banning all your new accounts within a few hours unless you take precautions.

using xeno mc is modifying i'd suggest using a seperate mc like neo mc

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

using xeno mc is modifying i'd suggest using a seperate mc like neo mc

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What?

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Originally Posted by testedooi1

Hi.


I haven't played this game for almost a decade (excluding OTs). And decided to try playing at official servers and I was wondering how their ban system works.

Is some kind of a "ban wave"? When they collect data from a period of time then ban all these accounts at once.

Or is some kind of "instant deletion"? When they'll ban whenever they have enough "proof".

Extra question:

I wanted to know what are my chances of being deleted since I heard that free and fresh accounts have more chances of being deleted. I'm planing to put a premiun account, renew the xenobot and buy some KKs but I'm not sure if I should wait a few more days to see what happens to me.

Some more info:
Created a character 1 week ago, xenobot injected onto client 99% of time, "playing" 11h-14h per day (86h in last 7 days), probably got reported 2 times when I left the PC for a few mins and got lured (first 3 days), after that I'm always near the PC with alarms turned on, last 4 days I've been training with slimes at same spot, I'm not using MC for official servers.

Thanks.

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You are asking for a deletion by botting 11-14h per day, i would suggest 3-4h max botting sessions. Unless you don't care.

@ Up

I bot till 14h stamina, then I change the character on the account back & fourth it goes. Got a few accounts up to level 200+ before I sold them, so no that is also pure bullshit

200 is not a long time. Botting for long hours repeatedly probably makes it easier for them to detect you but it's definitely not an instant death sentence. In the end we have no good data, it just makes a lot of sense that long hours would be a contributing factor. In fact, regular deletions are so rare that it's very hard to gather data on anything. What we should focus on when trying to figure out their system are the instant deletions they hand out to new accounts.

remake old deleted accounts with the exact same info (account/pw/email), then the ban/deletion comes faster.

Im just curious, Ive used Xeno to bot about 5-8 accounts simultaneously with MC basically from ss to ss and full afk most of the time and I only ever had 1 Facc knight get deleted.(botting in thais undeads 24/7). Now obviously times have changed. So I really wanted to start botting my 110ish premium EK account again at Banuta Apes. This account was botted 24/7 full afk for months. The account has 3 knights that I would swap when stamina got too low. Do you think he wasn't deleted based off the fact that apes is a ghost town? Would starting him up and doing the same thing again now being a completely different story most likely?

Even though MCing per se isn`t illegal, speculating with some data we have, in my opinion MCing could rise your deletion probability. The mechanism is plausible too, certainly CIP can see wether you are logging in from the standard client or the flash client, and it should be no problem if you do that. But there are any complex bots out there for flash client? I doubt it. If CIP sees that there are 2 C++ clients logged in with the same MAC addres/HDID or whatever it's at least suspicious and maybe it could get you detected instantly if you cast spells at the same time on both clients. It`s a lot easier and cheaper to detect than to have big systems to analyse deviations from normal targeting behaviour, paths that the char goes by, etc.

At least 82% of deleted accs people posted on Wind forums (out of 207 analyzed posts) used MC, it could be only an association due to botters behavior, but it could well be one of the methods used, along with too much reports, too long hunting,etc.

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Originally Posted by smurfman

Im just curious, Ive used Xeno to bot about 5-8 accounts simultaneously with MC basically from ss to ss and full afk most of the time and I only ever had 1 Facc knight get deleted.(botting in thais undeads 24/7). Now obviously times have changed. So I really wanted to start botting my 110ish premium EK account again at Banuta Apes. This account was botted 24/7 full afk for months. The account has 3 knights that I would swap when stamina got too low. Do you think he wasn't deleted based off the fact that apes is a ghost town? Would starting him up and doing the same thing again now being a completely different story most likely?

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Most of the times reports = deleted unless you're doing something stupid, like botting with a script that tries to change gold so it is just spamming 'Use' on gold coins 24/7

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Originally Posted by Jesseh

Even though MCing per se isn`t illegal, speculating with some data we have, in my opinion MCing could rise your deletion probability. The mechanism is plausible too, certainly CIP can see wether you are logging in from the standard client or the flash client, and it should be no problem if you do that. But there are any complex bots out there for flash client? I doubt it. If CIP sees that there are 2 C++ clients logged in with the same MAC addres/HDID or whatever it's at least suspicious and maybe it could get you detected instantly if you cast spells at the same time on both clients. It`s a lot easier and cheaper to detect than to have big systems to analyse deviations from normal targeting behaviour, paths that the char goes by, etc.

At least 82% of deleted accs people posted on Wind forums (out of 207 analyzed posts) used MC, it could be only an association due to botters behavior, but it could well be one of the methods used, along with too much reports, too long hunting,etc.

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Can Cip actually view your MAC address when you are playing? If they only see IP that can just mean same house, not necessarily same computer.

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Originally Posted by smurfman

Can Cip actually view your MAC address when you are playing? If they only see IP that can just mean same house, not necessarily same computer.

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I mean he said they can, are you implying this chap is lying to us all?
you can verify it with a quick search on these forums.